Justice - â€*

[Wood]

as it turns out, the Justice CD is on a major label. so download away kiddies, just don't forget to buy your 'waters of nazareth' ring-tone.

Double Vinyl @ Boomtown by Friday..... (indie release on Ed Rec :amuse:)

[esoter1c]

Originally Posted by Wood

as it turns out, the Justice CD is on a major label. so download away kiddies, just don't forget to buy your 'waters of nazareth' ring-tone.

Double Vinyl @ Boomtown by Friday..... (indie release on Ed Rec :amuse:)

[V.!.M.]

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Vinyls are the sheeot

[j3rk]

all media will turn digital soon.

I believe you'll start to see "open source" music become more popular in the future. The actual cost to create an album and distribute it over the internet is minimal. If i was an artist, the first things i would do with my album is put a high quality rip on all the major torrent sites and get people downloading it.

As far as my opinion on downloading. Downloading & sharing the album does not hurt the artist. It helps promote their music. People who buy music will continue to buy music. People who steal music will continue to steal it.

I've been stealing music since i was a child. The internet has not changed anything. I used to go into HMV and physically STEAL tapes. Then when CDs came out, i'd go to the store, record the CD to a tape and return the CD. I do not buy music and never will. I have friends who buy music and they usually find out about the artists from me because i'm always listening to something new because i dont pay for any of it.

With that said. I will go to an artists show and buy merch. I've bought CDs at shows. They usually end up in the garbage and I download it from oink. I spend thousands of dollars each year at shows. Artists make the majority of their money by touring...and if a DJ or Artist never comes to Vancouver, I dont want to support them anyways.

[j3rk]

Originally Posted by Cdn_Brdr

Hey number guy... I managed to get my hands on a killer mashup album of â€* from OiNK. They nuked it but if you're interested let me know and I'll get it to ya!

justice@vanmob.com plz

[Wood]

Originally Posted by j3rk

I've been stealing music since i was a child. The internet has not changed anything. I used to go into HMV and physically STEAL tapes. Then when CDs came out, i'd go to the store, record the CD to a tape and return the CD. I do not buy music and never will. I have friends who buy music and they usually find out about the artists from me because i'm always listening to something new because i dont pay for any of it.

well, at least you admit that it's the same thing. i do agree with you to some extent, theiving cheapskates will always be theiving cheapskates. i do have a problem with posts like this though because there are kids out there who don't even realize that they're stealing once they click that link... and many of them may otherwise have purchased the CD.

that and... just because there's always been theiving cheapskates plaguing the music industry DOES NOT make it right. Recording a CD & returning it is straight up pathetic, i would never have done that even as a broke ass kid.

[Cdn_Brdr]

^Just a correction on one thing.... downloading music in Canada is NOT illegal therefore not actually stealing.

I'm not saying that makes it right from a moral standpoint maybe, but nonetheless anyone in this country who downloads music is legally able to do so.

[Guineveire]

Do the DANCE.. the way you move is a mystery
Do the DANCE... You're always there for music and me

[j3rk]

Originally Posted by Cdn_Brdr

^Just a correction on one thing.... downloading music in Canada is NOT illegal therefore not actually stealing.

That's just a legal gray area. I'd expect that law to get corrected in time.

[Cdn_Brdr]

I'm not saying it won't be changed... just saying that's how it is atm.

[j3rk]

Well. It's technically illegal.

But only one person can be charged and that's the person who's sharing the file. Not the person downloading it.

If i posted an mp3 on FNK.ca, fnk could get charged, but you guys downloading it couldnt.

[wishbone]

damn libertarians.


wait....

[shift]

Originally Posted by j3rk

The actual cost to create an album and distribute it over the internet is minimal.

I call bullshit. I work in the music industry, and know first hand the kind of costs bands are looking at to create a quality record. Recording runs between $300 and $600 a day at a decent studio, and a full album will take at least a week, even if some corners are cut. Mixing will take at least a few days, and there is mastering on top of that. All in we are talking thousands of dollars.

Sure, you could do it at home with your computer mic into garage band, as many amatuers do. The problem is you will sound like just that, an amatuer.

People like you are creating a world in which artists won't be able to afford to do things properly, and then the quality of the music that everyone listens to will suffer, whether they have been paying for it or not.

[j3rk]

I call bullshit on you sir. Like i said, this is an internet revolution. Finding talented producers on the internet is like shooting fish in a barrel. Studios will cost money, but hell any start up business has costs. Since we're talking about the music as a business, consider that the "start up costs". If your talented and poor as shit, go find some venture capitalists (record labels).

The distribution of music on the internet is what we're discussing here and this is the key point where an artist will succeed or fail. The reason the RIAA and MPAA are going after is not because they are "losing money" it's because they are losing control of what gets created and how it gets distributed.

They used to choose who gets signed and who gets marketed. This is slowly leaving their hands and into the peoples hands via the internet. They will never again have the monopoly they once had.

Any joe blow these days can create something of worth. Spam it all over the internet and get people to listen and buy his music. The better the quality, the more fans you'll get. Build a following and then you'll have enough money to create something proper. Everyone has to start from the bottom in the new world.

I'd much rather download someones do it yourself music than listen to some record label crap they shove down my throat.

[j3rk]

Take the software industry for instance.

I'm a programmer. I make a living by creating software. I have never purchased any closed source software in my life and never will.

In the software industry, there was a large monopoly. Microsoft pretty much run the whole thing. Microsoft creates really shitty software. What was the software industries response to this?

Well, they knew they could never compete with Microsoft, so they created a type of software called "open source software". This is free software created by nerds for use by nerds. The software at first was subpar in quality, but as years progressed and the comminity grew, the quality improved.

This is the direction i see the music industry taking in the next couple years. When you produce something that is free and of quality, people will begin to take note.

There are still plenty of open source business models and tonnes of people are making money off open source software, including myself.

Like i said, i've never bought any closed source software in my life. Usually it's more hassles to buy and install than it is to steal. I do on the other hand own a copy of each version of BSD and have bought a couple linux distrobutions. Why would i buy something that i could download for free? I got some cool stickers and i wanted to support the project.

I'd do the same for music and i do by going to artists shows then they come to vancouver even though i steal their music.

[j3rk]

The future is now.

[shift]

Some good points there. Like any story this one definitely has two (or more) sides. I'm all for taking away the strangle hold major labels have had on the music industry, but I'm not into the quality of the music we listen to going downhill as a result. I guess we'll just have to see how things play out...

[dj_soo]

I don't care about the legality of it and I personally hate major labels - the only thing I care about is that the artists I love have the resources to continue making the music i love. And simply "going to shows" still fucks over the artists because in the end their business model is based on both touring fees and music sales. You can argue till you're blue in the face that the model will change but when it comes down to it, artists wouldn't be selling their music if they didn't expect to be fairly compensated for their tracks major label or otherwise. Besides the justification to avoid paying a measly $1 a track is pathetic. It's not like it's difficult to find legal download sites...

The open source argument is so blantantly erroneous, i'm utterly amazed you'd actually think it was even remotely relevant. Open Source developers make a conscious decision to give away their software for free. If you want free music, then there's a plethora of music that is freely given away with the consent of the artist. Instead you're yet again trying to justify stealing from artists simply because you think that's the way the model should be. I think that wealth should be more evenly distributed - doesn't mean I can go breaking into shaunessy houses to get the share i feel i rightly deserve.

[shift]

^All very good points. I think that sums up my stance on this better than I could have said it myself. Nice one.

[ebbomega]

Finding talented producers on the internet is like shooting fish in a barrel.

It's my turn to call bullshit.

It's more like shooting a catfish in a massive barrel with a shitload of trout in it. And they're all the same colour.

Finding talented artists online isn't exactly the same as just going onto mp3.com and downloading three random tracks and likely two will be high quality. The thing about the internet is that it lets you know full well what the Signal-to-noise ratio is with music. You get a real feel that industry agents really do have a career if they have to wade through all that kind of bullshit to get to the real gems - it's no wonder that CRTC likes humping mediocre-to-good bands like The Tragically Hip and The Tea Party.

For every underrated producer you can find online there are fifty that suck.

All I'm saying. Otherwise this is a pretty good debate.

[dj_soo]

^ agreed - myspace alone should tell you how the "ease of new technology" has resulted in thousands of shit bands/producers/"artists" clogging up the internet. At least labels (especially independent ones) help sift out the utter crap out there...

Like dave said, it's actually harder to breakthrough using pure internet distribution cause people don't have the patience to sift through the garbage to find the gems...