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Old Feb 20, 03
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Crossfader/Eq Techniques

It is amazing how much a crossfader and eq knobs can do with two beatmatched records. The first person I saw cut live was fluid and it totally drove me to buy tables. Pulling off seamless mixes is phat as well as scratching. But oddly enough fader moves are what totaly one me over! posibbly b/c most of them are easier then say a scratch but its tuffer to be as creative. and when one is creative with that thing its truley a blessing to watch.
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Old Feb 20, 03
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apparently fluid's gonna be here tomorrow night... i'll be sure to watch the hands ;)
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Old Feb 20, 03
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i'd say its alot easier to be creative with the eq's since the curves are always linear (on rotary eqs), opposed to crossfader curves, which are ALWAYS different depending on what mixer you're using, even if it has a crossfader curve control.

get two songs that go well together (must have tones that match or else this will sound like shit). beatmatch em (it HAS to be tight or else it just ruins the mix), switch basslines or switch the mid ranges or treble or layer them both at full levels, set different cue points and go all over the place, throw some double drops, throw in samples, do whatever you want, make a new 2 channel produced track! experiment. its just putting your creativity to the test. you can really be an artist on the decks if you just put that extra effort and go beyond just getting the mix done to the next track. layer layer layer and CUT AROUND. make new music. :y:

a basic example of what you can do. get a simple basic track that has a dope bassline but nothing else. then get another track that could use a better bassline, layer em, CHOOSE YOUR CUE POINTS CAREFULLY, and cut the bassline when the bassline drops in hard. i dunno if thats understandable but it has the potential to create some DOPE sounds when done well and the tracks are selected carefully.

the possibilities are endless =) just be creative and original. and yes solid beatmatching is incredibly important to do alot of mixing tricks. the bassline trick is just one of thousands of tricks out there....
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Old Feb 20, 03
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i'd say its alot easier to be creative with the eq's since the curves are always linear (on rotary eqs), opposed to crossfader curves, which are ALWAYS different depending on what mixer you're using, even if it has a crossfader curve control.
very true. except on my mixer. the eq's go to -26 but its -13 in the first 70% of the knob's range, and the rest (-13) in the last 30% of the knobs range. granted, i've never seen any other mixer like that but whatever... =) the rest of what you said martin is excellent.

btw: im sure most or everyone knows this but if you want to be able to reley on quick cuts even when using vastly different crossfader curves, dont use the crossfader. use the "line/phono' switch in combination with both channels. switch the channel you want to cut out, to "line" and the channel you want to cut in, to "phono'. those work the same on every mixer essentially.
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Old Feb 20, 03
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very true. except on my mixer. the eq's go to -26 but its -13 in the first 70% of the knob's range, and the rest (-13) in the last 30% of the knobs range. granted, i've never seen any other mixer like that but whatever... =) the rest of what you said martin is excellent.

btw: im sure most or everyone knows this but if you want to be able to reley on quick cuts even when using vastly different crossfader curves, dont use the crossfader. use the "line/phono' switch in combination with both channels. switch the channel you want to cut out, to "line" and the channel you want to cut in, to "phono'. those work the same on every mixer essentially.
apparently i don't know.... cause ya lost me there
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Old Feb 20, 03
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apparently i don't know.... cause ya lost me there
look on your mixer. it will have a line/phono switch. flip it back and forth while playing a record. see what happens :keebler:
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Old Feb 20, 03
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yeah olivers technique works

i personally do my cuts a lil different but using the phone to line switch is defiently the sharpest cut you can do
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Old Feb 20, 03
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well ya i got that


but wouldn't it just be turning one channel of suddenly and then one on with the other switch?
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Old Feb 20, 03
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^yup! resulting in a "cut" from one record to the other and back.
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Old Feb 21, 03
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my crossfaders so loose that I dont think theres really much difference on the phonoline cut than just doing a quick flick of the X-fader, although on stiffer faders i think it could make a difference... I guess its more foolproof tho, except sometimes when i do successive phonoline cuts(for a sorta "cutting" effect, works good on vocals) one of my fingers will accidinently bring the trim down =P

BTW has anyone tried scratching using the phonoline cut on a mixer without an adjustable/scratch curve? Ive heard it can be don, although its tough...

Anyways, I like that bassline switch youre talkin about Martin, I think u showed it to me a couple months ago and it really works well on some tracks (that are, like you said, of the same tone), especially on some of my deep bassline heavy house. One thing I like to do is switch the basslines over 4 beats(a little more or less depending on the bassline structure) to create a "new" bassline out of two. It only works on a very few basslines that are really similar, but when u get it to work its fuckin sweet! One setback to it is when u start, u gotta keep doing it for atleast 32 beats (other wise it kinda sounds incomplete) and if u dont have the beats perfectly or really closely matched, the beats can drift a bit...

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Old Feb 21, 03
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jessssus

i think i'll stick with learning to beatmatch :soak:
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Old Feb 21, 03
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BTW has anyone tried scratching using the phonoline cut on a mixer without an adjustable/scratch curve? Ive heard it can be don, although its tough...
that's just an average everyday transform scratch isn't it?

as for fun fader tricks, my personal favorite is cutting stuttered/jazzy drums together. i'm beginning to think that off-eight and off-sixteenth drum lines were invented purely to get fidgety drum n bass djs off.
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Old Feb 21, 03
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Mixing baselines is definately taking another step into what's beyond average everyday track to track mixing. It requires that extra sense of harmony. Also fader tricks thrown in just before a switch can sound sick if PRACTICED before hand. Dropping the baseline out of a track allows the harmonies to ride over the baseline of your second track, if sellected properly. But as Martin says TIGHT beatmatching is KEY!!!
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Old Feb 21, 03
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that's just an average everyday transform scratch isn't it?

as for fun fader tricks, my personal favorite is cutting stuttered/jazzy drums together. i'm beginning to think that off-eight and off-sixteenth drum lines were invented purely to get fidgety drum n bass djs off.
I wouldnt know, unfortunately I know absolutely nothing about scratching other than what I can determine from sets I listen to... Im just wondering if its possible to learn some form of scratching on my mixer without having to buy a new one =P
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Old Feb 24, 03
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I wouldnt know, unfortunately I know absolutely nothing about scratching other than what I can determine from sets I listen to... Im just wondering if its possible to learn some form of scratching on my mixer without having to buy a new one =P
i just bought an 06 because i couldn't scratch worth anything on my old mixer's bunkass crossfader. you can probably do transforms with a ghetto mixer, but as far as real crossfader technique goes you just have to pony up and blow the money on a good mixer with a curve on it.

and it turns out Fluid did come to kelowna. i didn't see much of his set at the bar, but he ended up coming to a house party incision and i put on. he definitely has fader skills when it comes to mixing. Fluid and J-Mar actually made me like breaks, which is saying something considering what a goddamn drum n bass nazi i usually am.
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Old Feb 24, 03
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I personally like dropping a phat bassline with a nice scratch and guitar riff.. mmmm.. da blues... over da hip-hop... yummy..
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