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View Poll Results: do u think downloading/filesharing is killing the music industry?
yes-they are losing a lot of money 0 0%
no-its good for the record companies/artists 4 33.33%
kind of-its good promotions for the artists...bad for the record labels 7 58.33%
i have no opinion on this subject 1 8.33%
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Old Mar 11, 03
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Do u think downloading is killing the music industry

i think i wanna add a poll into my letter to denise donolon (pres of sony music canada)

if you wanna know what this is all about please refer to my other post about downloading/filesharing.
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Old Mar 12, 03
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it may not help ppl buy the cds.. but if the cd is really really crappy.. and u only like a few selected songs.... then why waste a full $16 for only few track? ......
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Old Mar 12, 03
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personaly i dont download much just songs from cds i have lost and want to make again
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Old Mar 12, 03
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That's the funniest excuse I've ever heard, in all honesty. Most of the people who download music never bought CD's in the first place because they either couldn't afford it or didn't want to waste their money for a handful of decent trax on an album of filler.

What's killing the music industry is tired, retread, similar sounding wanking pop music that nobody wants for themselves.
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Old Mar 12, 03
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That's the funniest excuse I've ever heard, in all honesty. Most of the people who download music never bought CD's in the first place because they either couldn't afford it or didn't want to waste their money for a handful of decent trax on an album of filler.

What's killing the music industry is tired, retread, similar sounding wanking pop music that nobody wants for themselves.

word bro..plus filesharing apps are really good for promoting artists whose music is not supported by major labels. Dj's and electronic music producers come to mind as one of the groups which benefits the most, because their music is spread worldwide for free, and they usually make most of their money through performances anyway, especially since electronic is widely non supported by the mainstream labels/public.
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Old Mar 12, 03
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Not really.

Most of the music I download online is stuff from up and coming producers, or stuff I couldn't just saunter into a&b sound to get...

I think in all fairness, the music industry has really responded to this by signing new artists that seem to appeal to people who probably wouldn't even know how to download mp3s or burn CDs (like britney spears or avril for the youngins...or people like norah jones who I figure most people's parents like..)

The only really horrid thing I've seen happen a few times as far as filesharing is concerned is kids downloading mp3s and spending way too much money to press a dubplate of it, without the artist's permission, without even giving credit to the artist. (this usually happens with tracks that are soon to be released..) I've even heard of things happening like someone downloading someone's work, burning it onto a cd and making it their demo- that is pretty awful.

I've got a bit more sympathy for the little guy than metallica.
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Old Mar 12, 03
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you can't buy an andy c live @ plaza of nations new year' s eve cd
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Old Mar 12, 03
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i'm not losing any money. what the fuck do i care?
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Old Mar 18, 03
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The music industry originally was based on a performance by performance basis, where the performers would receive a percentage of the ticket or attendance sales.

With the invention of the vinyl record, the music industry took a sharp turn from charging for performances towards charging for duplication services.

As the recording instruments became more and more sophisticated and players became more and more accessible to the common folk, the entire music industry continued on it's path and focused on distribution and duplication services.

The music industry embraced the compact disc for more reasons than it's audio fidelity. A vinyl record costs more than 30 times as much to make as a compact disc, and an audio tape costs more than 10 times as much to make. The average cost with jacket included of manufacture for a record company is about 90 cents.

During the late 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s, the music industry partnered with television, radio and other various broadcast services while at the same time enhancing their distribution networks. At this time and even to this day independent producers have a hard time getting their material sold in recording company owned retail outlets like Virgin Records, and HMV, and there are strict contracts attached to smaller chains and independents.

This left the musician who didnt sign a record deal (which are typically quite a small fraction of the actual amount of gross sales made, even at the wholesale level) entirely at the whim of the recording agent. If the agent didnt like their music, it didnt get out, period, other than by one-off performances in local venues until they either gave up or eventually could demonstrate a market to the recording agent.

With the advent of the internet and MP3s, the recording industry has ample reason for fear and desire to quash services like Napster, KazaA and blank CD recordable media companies.

Their stranglehold on the entire industry of marketing (radio/MTV/Muchmusic), duplication, and distribution is seriously threatened.

Now an independent can place their CD in a sample format up on a website for download; market it, and even offer their own CDs for sale at a fraction of the price that record companies charge, all without the help of a record agent. Obviously once volumes became large enough it would be a full-time business for the independent, but given the difference in pay ($1.00 per CD in royalties through a conglomerate vs. $8.00 if they charge $10.00 per cd after costs) makes it worth it.

Pay for download services have also done very poorly, as most people on the internet want to get their music for free and burn it themselves.

This leaves the music industry back where it started - pay per performance - which will decimate the tremendous profits this huge industry is used to; as a performer can only do so many performances and concerts are risky and expensive.

In a way the music industry created it's own demise, by limiting the diversity of music and narrowing the mainstream to tried and true formulas (Milli-Vanilli, Backstreet Boys, N-sync, Britney Spears, etc.) which are beginning to turn off the general public.

It was this in fact which caused the tremendous initial popularity of hip-hop in the 80s and 90s, mostly produced on independent labels, as the masses were starved for more diversity in music. The record companies jumped in late in the game and embraced the genre.

But it wont work this time since 50% of Canadian households, 30% of American households, and 60% of European households have broadband internet access and access to a CD-burner.

In Asia the problem is even worse for the record companies; so close to cheap duplication technology Taiwan and Malaysia are dealing with pirates who are duplicating commercial CDs by the tens of thousands selling them for only a few dollars. This coupled with the fact that in the most developed Asian countries (Singapore, Japan, Hong Kong, South Korea, Taiwan) internet proliferation rates are much higher, in the 70% range.

In summary, the recording industry is doomed. The music industry is at the beginning of a new rennaisance of diversity, creativity because the playing field is being levelled for the independent artist.

I think it's fawking fang-tastic. :)
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Old Mar 18, 03
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Originally posted by Sykonee:
That's the funniest excuse I've ever heard, in all honesty. Most of the people who download music never bought CD's in the first place because they either couldn't afford it or didn't want to waste their money for a handful of decent trax on an album of filler.

What's killing the music industry is tired, retread, similar sounding wanking pop music that nobody wants for themselves.
Yeah brotha, so well said!
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Old Mar 19, 03
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it's hard to pity a multi million dollar business. just as an example 50cent sold 1.6mill in 2 weeks. so there are people who will buy stuff just not poorly hyped stuff. lol
also it's b.s. when a c.d. costs a dollar to make and they charge 15 for it. note: we have the lowest priced c.d.'s in the world so imagine having to pay 20and up for a c.d. when u can burn it for 1 dollar.
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