Shure Whitelabels

jmzD · #1 (**permalink**) Aug 29, 03

Yeah baby! I got three of these bad mammajammas yesterday. The signal quality is strong and so is the volume, however, i went out to play a show last night and the decks weren't set up for whitelabels, more like flip the weight around and set the height to the highest. Man that shit was skipping everywhere on my new records. I couldn't figure out why until the doods from guitar center who sold me them showed up (friends are cool) and I bitched about these janky needles. they told me there was nothing wrong with them, that it was just me. i told them i'd fix it myself, and to fuck off. god i love these needles.

jmzD · #2 (**permalink**) Aug 29, 03

turns out with these needles you actually have to use a certain weight in grams for the tonearm, wish i actually knew how to do that, everywhere i have ever played people just flip the weight around in order to solve the issue of skipping needles.

i think i got it now though...

soma · #3 (**permalink**) Aug 29, 03

used them last month and had the same issues with them in the club. they look sharp though

Velcro · #4 (**permalink**) Aug 29, 03

they look kinda cool, but for $135 a peice I'd rather buy 447's than a fashion statement.

Akeel · #5 (**permalink**) Aug 29, 03

output is solid on these (5mv - less then ortofon about the same as an M447)

But i've heard a ton of mixed reviews. Let us know how they work out in the long run James :)

i've tried them a few times and I'm not sure if i wanna buy em yet.

LDUB · #6 (**permalink**) Aug 29, 03

... but they sure look pretty! And that's really all that matters... right???

Akeel · #7 (**permalink**) Aug 29, 03

i think concordes are prettier :kimmie:

jmzD · #8 (**permalink**) Aug 29, 03

well the sound quality alone is a punch in the jaw of my ortofons. i read up on the whites and i just need to actually use the included screwdriver and set them up for use. i had noticed they weren't angled right before but figured that was how they were sposed to be. wrong i was. as for pretty (shut up lauren), yeah i guess they are, but really they make sense. they are a 1 peice headshell and cartridge (like the ortofons) that is fully adjustable to your mixing style (unlike the ortofons). of course this means i am going to have to use very different table settings than i am used to when i get up to play, but i guess that's coo (as long as i can remember to do it). Initial setup is the key here.

for those who care Shure recommends setting the turntable to a 3-5mm height, the tracking force to 3 grams. Then actually shortening the stylus overhang by using that included screwdriver (to 50-51mm total length) for best skip resistance.

for highest fidelity/lowest record wear, they recommend setting your height and overhang appropriately for your turntable, setting your tracking force between 1.5 and 3 grams and setting your antiskate to the same setting.

Akeel · #9 (**permalink**) Aug 29, 03

Which ortofons are you using? Anything past the pro series should be comparable to the whitelabels.

jmzD · #10 (**permalink**) Aug 29, 03

i use the ss's but i was using the black and yellow ones for a while too.

Akeel · #11 (**permalink**) Aug 29, 03

the niteclubs are siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiick!!

jmzD · #12 (**permalink**) Aug 29, 03

i dunno, i just figured i could spend $150 USD on needles (again) or i could spend 330 on 3 new cartridges and go a different route than i have in the last 6 years...

jmzD · #13 (**permalink**) Aug 29, 03

i honestly do believe that these needles are clearer than any ortofons i have ever played on, the way the bass drops and the mids and highs come out, and the tonearm connection is a dependable one too (longer) which is a bonus.

jmzD · #14 (**permalink**) Aug 30, 03

i fixed em, they work great now.

weight = 3g
height = 5mm
overhang = 50 mm
anti skate = 0

Kraig · #15 (**permalink**) Aug 30, 03

Night Clubs are the bomb...

Rytalin · #16 (**permalink**) Aug 30, 03

whitelabels?

I smell a big chunk of hype.

which dj was endorsing it again?

I should know though, cos every single person whom I've heard talk about whitelabels has mentioned that dj as one of the first reasons why they want a pair.

jmzD · #17 (**permalink**) Aug 31, 03

i don't care who endorses them, if you know how to adjust a turntable, they work fine, and they sound amazing. i've used ortofons for 5 years, but as of so far, if it came down to it, i would get rid of them and keep the whitelabels.

Wood · #18 (**permalink**) Sep 01, 03

i love em. you need to balance them right, they're much heavier than most cartridges so that means the counter weight should sit a little further back than usual, you definitely don't want to crank the weight or reverse it with these. I'm not aware of another 1-piece on the market that has the adjustable stylus position - which is kind of why i've steered clear of 1-pieces for the past few years. You can't beat the convenience though, and the sound quality & loudness are great. I had the same skipping issues when i first got them, they're not really the carts you wanna bring with you to a gig, unless you're super quick at balancing... but for home use, i've yet to find a better cartridge.

Velcro · #19 (**permalink**) Sep 01, 03

That seems a bit strange. Why would you get used to something at home, only to use something different everywhere else? Not to mention the price for that "home use", again...

stringbeans · #20 (**permalink**) Sep 01, 03

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Originally posted by Rytalin
whitelabels?

I smell a big chunk of hype.

which dj was endorsing it again?

I should know though, cos every single person whom I've heard talk about whitelabels has mentioned that dj as one of the first reasons why they want a pair.

i dont think any dj endorses it... ive read a lot of reviews on it and ive also seen tons of ads but ive never seen a dj sponsoring it.. maybe you're thinking of the m44-7. i think the isp sponsor it

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Wood · #21 (**permalink**) Sep 01, 03

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Originally posted by Velcro
Not to mention the price for that "home use", again...

EXACTLY why i don't take em out of the house. that & i don't usually like to spend 10 minute balancing my tonearms when i step up to the decks at a gig, or leave the guy after me with the same task

besides, it's just a needle, it doesn't affect my mixing technique so there's no problems with being 'used to' one type or another... i take my M35S's to gigs, they're much more than adequate

jmzD · #22 (**permalink**) Sep 01, 03

i know its not too technical, seeing as every deck isn't the same, but i just use take the settings from my home setup. when i go out to play i use them as a base and then adjust the weight a little heavier to prevent skipping. it doesn't take too long at all.

Velcro · #23 (**permalink**) Sep 01, 03

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Originally posted by Wood

EXACTLY why i don't take em out of the house. that & i don't usually like to spend 10 minute balancing my tonearms when i step up to the decks at a gig, or leave the guy after me with the same task

besides, it's just a needle, it doesn't affect my mixing technique so there's no problems with being 'used to' one type or another... i take my M35S's to gigs, they're much more than adequate

I just can't justify the price, considering that even 35's are "much more than adequate".

To each their own.