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Dec 11, 03
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Respect to Armstrong and Viberaider, but it is definitely not anywhere close to the best house in the world. Taking a disco loop and putting a few bongos, snares and kick drums under it isn't hard. Go pick up a copy of Acid and you can do it too. It's simple, unoriginal house. There's nothing wrong with that, but it isn't very creative.
Oh and welcome me please. I've read this board for about a month now and am now a member. 
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Dec 11, 03
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have you heard dave armstrong's remix of sexual souls? thats the best house track ive heard all year.
definitely a lot more then a few bongos, snares, and kicks. Quote:
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Dec 11, 03
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Hey smalls... as Christian is a friend of mine, I shared your post with him and here was his response:
*** DIRECT FROM CHRISTIAN: Normally, i wouldnt waste my time when i read something like this - But this guy truly needs to be educated a little. Now, you look at Olav Basoski, Seb Leger, Kid Creme, Junior Jack, they all sample. Its part of House music, disco, deep , funk specially. I have spoken with Olav before, and in all his disco tracks, he has sampled for every single one. That doesnt mean, we dont rearrange loops, create basslines, drumloops, create a great vibe for the track in general. Even if we do sample straight up, whats your point? All HOUSE is bro, with the exception of tribal, and some techy stuff, which in those cases, the loops are more minimal. You think i cant write a synth line? Add me to your msn, and i'll send you some tech i have made. I sample because i love that music my friend. I was raised on it as my dad played it all the time, so of course i wanna use those loops. As do most House producers. Its all sampling bro. Listen to this bro, next time you purchase a record by Junior Jack, Kid Creme, anything on defected, soul furic, etc.. take a look at the logo... DO you know what you will find? Bass played by: Keys played by: Guitar by: Junior Jack doesnt even write his own basslines dude! So I dont know what type of House you are referring to. But deep, to tribal, to latin, to funk, to vocal, they are all based around elements that were sampled, or recorded. I never claimed to be a bassist, or a musician, although many of my tracks i have played the lines and hooks in over the samples. Nevertheless, I am a House producer...and proud of it. Btw, get acid, build your track, and lets see if it flies to #1 on Dancerecords.com sales chart. I wont hold my breath. Again, what house are u referring to? Lets take some of the biggest tracks of the last couple yrs Modjo- lady- sampled JJ -thrill me-sampled JJ - e samba-sampled kid creme-hypnotized-sampled vocal/guitar and bass played by his bassist blah blah blah, i could go on forever dude. look into this a little more. Closing comment: Btw dude, my latest, Supersoul, which is currently #1 in sales, i sampled 2 dif loops, changed the keys, took snippets from them, made a new loop using them both to create a sample. Then, got my friend to play some electric gutair over it, played in some strings, a bassline, a synth, got a dude from the UK to do the vocals, and made a fresh, orginal cut of funky, disco, electro House. Not original or creative enough for you? Lets see you do that in acid. *** END COMMENTS FROM CHRISTIAN. And all I can say in reply is ..... BURN!
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Dec 11, 03
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^^^ :kam:
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Dec 11, 03
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Christian, I didn't mean to insult you and I shouldn't have simplified your process. I am simply saying that Olav type house music is simple and not very original. If you like it, great. But the process involved in making stuff like that is formulaic and by no means on par with the best house in the world (best house is completely subjective though). If you talk to househeads who have been listening to the music for more than 3 years, not many are going to credit guys like Olav or Kid Creme with pushing the boundaries or being at the top.
On the other hand, guys like Luke Solomon, Derrick Carter, Lance Desardi, Matthew Hebert, Akufen, Mazi, Gideon Jackson, Inland Knights, Swag, Brett Johnson, JT Donaldson, Grant Dell, even hometown people like Ali, Jay, Gavin Froome and the rest of the NordicTrax people make deep and funky house original and innovative. I never said anything against sampling either. Everyone does it. It's what house music is based on. But there are different ways of doing it. Cutting up two disco loops and making them one (gasp!) doesn't make you original. Filtered disco house (Clamaran, Olav, DJ Dan) is not anything special. It's fun but it's also monotonous and as predictable as hard house. I know I'm in the minority on this board, most people are into Twisted raves and DJs like Kraig (ugh no comment). I think it's great that you are being charted number one on some website, but that doesn't mean that you're among the top house producers in the world. Congratulations and keep making music. If you like it and other people share your preference, more power to you. But don't tell me that you're among the top producers and don't kid yourself just because you've been charted on some website. Wigglesworth, if you think this is the best house in the world, you need some education. I'm pretty sure you would feel differently if you listened to a wider range of music. I'm not saying it isn't fun or decent, my initial point was just to say that it isn't all that great and is a pretty stagnant sound. I apologize for offending anyone.
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Dec 11, 03
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:finger:
i think that tech house is music to fall asleep to. i would never buy a vinyl of it in my life. i play music that makes people want to shake their ass and have a good time. sorry, but tech house doesnt do that. as for listening to a wider range of music... :hehe: are you telling me i should expand my musical tastes to tech house? yah because thats such a strech from funky house right? i listen to everything from a-z chief, and i buy records from 4 different genres at once, and i dont mean tribal, funky, tech, and deep house either. so in closing... fuck you asshole this board's better without your negativity :kimmie: Last edited by wigglesworth; Dec 11, 03 at 10:22 AM.
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these are the days of our lives
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Dec 11, 03
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you guys dont know how lucky u are to have awesome locals.....
i think u take them for granted.....why do you think i come over to van so much to party? u guys have some of the best local djs....trust me....not sayin our locals totally suck...but theres only a few reallly reaally good ones....i'd say about 85% of your locals are kick ass!
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Dec 11, 03
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Taste in music is 100% subjective.
There's no point in arguing about whether or not tech house sucks (which by the way, it does) because we'll just go around in circles. But there is a point in defending Dave and Christian as some of the best house producers in the world right now, because this much, is irrefutably and unequivocally true.
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Dec 12, 03
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They're good at what they do, although Olav and Antoine Clamaran, Kid Creme are still much better. I'm sure with time Dave and Christian will be up there, but it takes time and a lot more than a couple records.
And if you think Derrick Carter, Inland Knights, Lance Desardi, JT Donaldson, Brett Johnson, Luke Solomon are tech house then you're REALLY in need of some education. Derrick Carter is the perennial funky house DJ. He just doesn't play handbag disco house. Wigglesworth, if you can pry your firmly planted lips off of Dave and Christian's assholes, maybe you can take the time to do some research. Again, to Christian, I didn't mean to offend you. MY PERSONAL OPINION is just that disco filtered house isn't among the best in the world. Keep doing what you're doing and keep putting Vancouver on the map. I give you props and respect for that.
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Dec 12, 03
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derrick carter's stuff is good, but for the most part its boring and not something that i would ever buy.
i never said that christian or daves stuff was the best. i said that it was among the best in the world. they are in fact #1, and #2 on one of the biggest online vinyl sites in the world, not just some site like you said. are you just downing it because you didnt know it existed? dont be a hater 
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Dec 12, 03
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*** A REPLY FROM CHRISTIAN ALVAREZ:
Smalls, hey dude. Listen bro, although you make some good points, you dismiss many of mine. I agree, all those artists you mentioned above are extremely good. But were you not reading what i had mentioned about samples? or recorded instruments? Your missing the point here, you seem to bright not to grasp this concept. The Derrick Carters, etc etc, do you think they are not using samples, or hiring musicians? Whether it be a disco loop, or a hook played by a guitarist, its the same thing. Now, if you dont like the filtered sound, thats a different story. Filtering is an fx bro, you either like the sound, or you dont. That is all preference. Do you catch my drift? I would never compare myself to Derrick, or Jay , or Ali, we are all dif, you are comparing apples and oranges here. I know I can make tech, as can Dave, in fact we both have. I also know Jay or Ali can make filtered if they choose. They dont. We all make music in which we like, music that has some kind of appeal to our ears, body, and soul. So what is the point here? The point is that you like and respect those grooves more than filtered house. Ok, cool.. BUT, it has nothing to do with the producers skills, trust me bro, take it from someone in the business. Writing a drumloop with sick percussion, a 1/2 to bar bassline, a synth topping, and some cool delays is no harder than cropping a loop, rearranging it, adding some slick fxs, filters, and writing a bassline. What it comes down to, is preference. Believe me when i tell you i can write Tech house. I just dont very often because i dont really enjoy it much. Ive also made some downtempo, chill out, d n b, and jazzy jungle. Laterz ps. thanks to everyone on here for sticking up for Dave and I. Neither of us think we are the next Olav, we just love making tunes and so far, people across the globe have enjoyed what we are doing. Its as simple as that.
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Dec 12, 03
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IM GWON LYNCH YOU!!! TECH HOUSE WHAT!! i like tech house...i like all house.
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Dec 12, 03
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^^^
ha! It sucks, Sucka! :sick:
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