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Old Oct 17, 04
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Record pressing knowledge

I figured alot of you would be interested in knowign more about how records are made, so here it is:

Step 1 - Vinyl Mastering

From your prepared DAT, CD, MP3 or open-reel master, your audio signal is transferred through a console into a disc cutting lathe. The lathe cuts the audio signal of your tracks into a spiral groove on a lacquer-coated aluminum disc (lacquer master). One lacquer master is cut for each side of your record. A matrix number is scribed onto the lacquers (i.e., RCA-001) between the area between the label and lock groove. The matrix number is your master's identifier through the plating and pressing process.

Step 2 - Plating Plant - Two Step Processing for Stampers

The plating plant cleans the lacquer master, silvers, then plates it with nickel to make a part called a father. The father is used to make another part, called a mother from which a stamper is created. The lacquer father is the mirror image of the vinyl record final product. The resulting stamper is what
will be fitted into a mold at the pressing plant to form your records.

It is during process, that you should have your label art complete and sent to the pressing plant.

Most engineers recommend two-step processing of stampers for every 1000 records to preserve quality of pressings and/or if one gets damaged or lost in the pressing process.


1. master is cleaned


2. placed in nickel bath


plating plant nickel bath row


3. stamper separation


4. resulting stamper

(images above are courtesy of James G. Lee Plating Plant - Gardena, CA - circa 2000, prior to closing its doors)

Step 3 - Pressing Plant - Test Pressings and Vinyl Record Replication

Lastly, you would press the records at one of the many pressing plants available to you. The pressing plant first runs a "test run" of your record for pre-approval prior to pressing. This guarantees the quality of the record you will received from the plant. To avoid costly mistakes, carefully audition your test pressings BEFORE placing your final mass order for your records.

In pressing the finished vinyl product, the pair of labels that will appear on the records are placed on both the top and bottom halves of the mold. The press is activated which forms the vinyl onto the chrome plated stamper. Excess vinyl is cut away, leaving the final vinyl product. The record is then placed in a weighted stack to assure an even cooling that prevents bending or warping. The finished product is sleeved and shipped back to you.


pressing plant


stamper is fitted in press


stamper vinyl biscuit & labels
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Old Oct 17, 04
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is there even a single producer in Vancouver with a release?
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Old Oct 17, 04
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Old Oct 17, 04
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Originally Posted by Robb Peppertre
is there even a single producer in Vancouver with a release?
Dave Armstrong, Shiloh, Influenza, Psidream, Czech, Grooverobber, Christian Alvarez, Wicked Lester, Cinto, GTR, Nudlz, Power Plant, Andrew Spence... I'm sure there is more but that is all I can think of at the moment.
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Old Oct 17, 04
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is there even a single producer in Vancouver with a release?
Psidream has had many great dnb tracks released.. i got 2 of them... he did a track with mayhem i think called avalanche. i got orbiting earth and secret life... psidream has also done a track with mechwarrior called stiches, and last walk. Pacific also has a release on rehab, autofunk, great liquid track, pacific also has another track Another place, and centopod is the best track ever... etc etc etc.. anyways psidream and pacific have made great tracks.. and psidream and oddmud as influenze have make lots of great breaks releases too... ya hearrrdddd
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Old Oct 18, 04
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is there even a single producer in Vancouver with a release?

just noone that makes happy hardcore, because it sucks
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Old Oct 18, 04
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a little bird told me there is now a vinyl press being set up here in vancouver :)
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Old Oct 18, 04
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just noone that makes happy hardcore, because it sucks
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Old Oct 18, 04
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Dave Armstrong, Shiloh, Influenza, Psidream, Czech, Grooverobber, Christian Alvarez, Wicked Lester, Cinto, GTR, Nudlz, Power Plant, Andrew Spence... I'm sure there is more but that is all I can think of at the moment.
Just picked up one of Dave Armstrong's tracks at Virgin. Also, doesn't Jay Tripwire have like fifty-some-odd releases? And I think Jay/ Dabbler has a few remixes out there, but I'm not sure if they were released or not.
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Old Oct 18, 04
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Dave Armstrong, Shiloh, Influenza, Psidream, Czech, Grooverobber, Christian Alvarez, Wicked Lester, Cinto, GTR, Nudlz, Power Plant, Andrew Spence... I'm sure there is more but that is all I can think of at the moment.

As well as,
T-bone, Vernon, Tripwire, Slow Djs, Ty.H.C., Dj Ali, John Tennant, Matty, Rasa Records, etc. thats not even dippin into all the white labels and hip hop producers...
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I've got one by Czech at home actually.
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Old Oct 18, 04
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Oh right. I knew about Czech. Funny how you almost never see any of those producers play out. At least I don't notice them playing out.
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^^Pacific aka Matty plays every week at lotus on tues. i believe. Psidream & mechwarrior have there weekly overload radio show www.psidream.com/overload
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Old Oct 18, 04
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lol I was expecting Psy with a name like that. Guess not
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im guessing that tripwire is probably one of the most succesful producers out of vancouver, like detn8r said before he has lots of releases and his own label, he just moved tdown to L.A so he must be dooin good
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lol I was expecting Psy with a name like that. Guess not
i'd cry is psidream started producing psy... especially with some of the insane heavier stuff he has been doing
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Old Oct 18, 04
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a little bird told me there is now a vinyl press being set up here in vancouver :)
yes yes, I have heard the tales spun by this bird as well!

it would be dope if there was a pressing plant here in Vancouver!
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Old Oct 23, 04
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Although it would be dope, I dont' think a pressing plant would do well here.

1) It has become acceptable for DJs to play CDs: very few people cut dubs.
2) There doesn't seem to be enough of a demand form the local record labels.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love it if there was a cutting house here b/c I wouldn't have to send tunes to get cut in LA anymore.
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a little bird told me there is now a vinyl press being set up here in vancouver :)
LOL, Soma. I've been hearing that rumour over and over and over since.. 1998.

It will never happen, and if it does, it'll be crap. Majority of the vinyl you guys listen to and purchase has been made on machines that were made mid 1900's and weigh 100,000 lbs and they just can't seem to recreate these machines anymore. No one wants to sink the money into it anymore because they all feel there isn't enough money in vinyl.
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Oh right. I knew about Czech. Funny how you almost never see any of those producers play out. At least I don't notice them playing out.
LOL. My feelings exactly! KRAIG! ;)

Well Influenza just scored a Vivid Breaks Set at sonar in early January. Be there.
It's funny since we've been putting out records we've played 20 to 1 gigs out of town. ;)
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Old Oct 23, 04
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It will never happen, and if it does, it'll be crap. Majority of the vinyl you guys listen to and purchase has been made on machines that were made mid 1900's and weigh 100,000 lbs and they just can't seem to recreate these machines anymore. No one wants to sink the money into it anymore because they all feel there isn't enough money in vinyl.
seeing is believing jay I'm with ya there. I just hope this dying Alchemy will eventually exist in this city.
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Old Oct 23, 04
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Well shiat, I'm looking to get a couple of single plates pressed, maybe 10 at most. Angst you say LA is the place to get vinyl pressed, I've been looking into a few UK places. So where's the best place. I'm not talking 1000, i'm talking like 2, 5, 10? Just starting to throw some music around, not looking for a big warehouse deal. Anyone? Where's everyone go for dubplates?
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Old Oct 24, 04
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It's really hard to find a cutting house who will do small runs (less than 300). If you only want a few, I suggest cutting several dubs. They won't last as long (30-40 plays), but they'll cetainly cost less then having to pay for stamps to get made. There are places in Europe and the US who will cut vinyl dubs, which supposedly last as long as normal vinyl. However, these cost alot more. Here are a couple of places that have excellent reputations and I highly recommend. Both places are more than happy to answer and questions you may have.

www.turnstylerecords.com (LA) - I use these guys

7" - US$40.00
10" - $30.00
12" - $40.00
12" Lites - $50.00

www.chopstickdubplate.com (NY)

7" - US$30
10" - $45
12" - $60

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Old Oct 24, 04
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You're looking at big bucks to get plates done. I don't understand the point of it anymore with CDJ's ever so popular now.
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Old Oct 25, 04
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^^^ That's exactly why most people don't cut dubs anymore, but for some of us it's not about what's cheaper or easier. Personally, I'm all about records not CDRs.
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