To DJ or Produce.. that is the question..

[oddmud]

Again, you open your mouth and nothing but ignorance piles out. You shouldn't talk dirt about anything.

[Séguin]

I want a Goddamn SH-101... I recently discovered how fucking great they are for basslines... I used to have an MC-202, but that thing looks gay.

[mux]

Well, I posted this question on three boards, had 65 downloads of the file, and got a total of four people trying to guess what synth did what. I'm going to take that to mean that many people listened, could not tell the difference, and were afraid to guess lest it make them look dumb. Last time one of these blind tests came up on Analogue Heaven, I was totally taken in, and got all my answers wrong, so I had to requestion my beliefs. I'm still 100% in love with analogue, but I don't argue the sound anymore.

Without futher ado, the synths used in http://mux.ca/temp/bass.wav are, in order:

1. Waldorf Pulse Plus - 3 VCO analogue synth
2. ReFX "Beast" - 2 VCO softsynth
3. NI FM7 - FM-synthesis softsynth
4. Roland SH-101 - 1 VCO analogue synth

There you have it, folks - the moral of this story (as is the moral to so many stories), "It's not how big your hook is, it's how you wiggle your worm". Fuck buying a TR-909 and a TB-303 - there's a whole world of instruments out there, go out and make your own sound.

[ebbomega]

I haven't listened yet.

I'll try when I'm back in Duncan.

[P.A.R.T.Y]

No Doubt, I was way way off. I can't beleive that the sh-101 sounds like that, unbeleivable.
Your right, the 909 and 303 have been done to death, I meant something else like using a Quasimidi Polymorph and a Jomox X-Base or something.
For the most part I knew the first sample was analog, it had to be and sounded it big time, the rest was just a guess, I didn't care that much. I don't pretend to understand digital artists, the massive changes we are experiencing will eventually drown out analog completely, so enjoy it while it lasts.

[dj_skratch_1]

Im producing with Logic 7 now. 2nd Producer in Canada to use it. w00t and 0wnage.

[mux]

Originally Posted by dj_skratch_1

Im producing with Logic 7 now. 2nd Producer in Canada to use it. w00t and 0wnage.

Wow, nice one. I know at least two vinyl producers who've been using Logic 7 since within a week of it being released; you have them pwnt by a few days, for sure. :)

[mux]

Originally Posted by P.A.R.T.Y

No Doubt, I was way way off. I can't beleive that the sh-101 sounds like that, unbeleivable.

Yeah, I think that's how it typically goes with SH-101's. A lot of times, you see people buying them (or Minimoogs, or TB-303's, or Prophet 5's) 'cause of the hype, then being hugely disappointed, having thought it was going to be this ripping awesome synth and being let down by the simplicity and/or cheesy sound.

It's really only when you add a shitload of overdrive and distortion to the SH-101, and push the filter resonance up way high that it screams. Bass patches on it aren't so much 'awesome and huge' as they are 'utilitarian and very punchy'. Often, folks buy SH-101's, then sell them again a month later. Then later on, they realize that the best dance music basses are utilitarian and punchy, then realize that their softsynths just don't do that simple noise as well as the SH-101, then they buy one again. :) Then they sing the praises of the SH-101 on the message boards, a neophyte picks up on it, and the cycle begins anew.

I'm just fading out of the "singing the praises" phase now. :) I am still totally in love with mine, I just don't feel the need to tell everyone as often anymore...

[P.A.R.T.Y]

Originally Posted by mux

Yeah, I think that's how it typically goes with SH-101's. A lot of times, you see people buying them (or Minimoogs, or TB-303's, or Prophet 5's) 'cause of the hype, then being hugely disappointed, having thought it was going to be this ripping awesome synth and being let down by the simplicity and/or cheesy sound.

It's really only when you add a shitload of overdrive and distortion to the SH-101, and push the filter resonance up way high that it screams. Bass patches on it aren't so much 'awesome and huge' as they are 'utilitarian and very punchy'. Often, folks buy SH-101's, then sell them again a month later. Then later on, they realize that the best dance music basses are utilitarian and punchy, then realize that their softsynths just don't do that simple noise as well as the SH-101, then they buy one again. :) Then they sing the praises of the SH-101 on the message boards, a neophyte picks up on it, and the cycle begins anew.

I'm just fading out of the "singing the praises" phase now. :) I am still totally in love with mine, I just don't feel the need to tell everyone as often anymore...

I totally understand what your saying. Many ppl are considering buying this synth and will not really acheive what their after. The Sh-101 is a kind of inside joke, meaning, its really old and is being exploited for purposes that it was not intended.
I never actually owned the Sh-101, however I did own an MC-202 (same thing basically) which I sold a few years ago. I definitely miss the chunky sounds that came out of that little box and the looks of awe and wonder when I showed my friends. I remember when Eminem put out that song "feels so empty with out me," well I was able to recreate the bass and the drums using my Tr-606 and MC-202, and a dinsync plug, big fun :) Fortunately, I laid down some pretty sic* 202 basslines on my own tracks before I sold it.
I've noticed that a lot of house musicians are using the 101/202 sound, you hear a lot of these filter breakdown where its all 101 treble and it just sounds so awesome, that is my big push to buying another 101/202, the abilty to get clean analog filter breakdowns is appalling.
Someday soon, I will realease my tracks, I will get some R.E.S.P.E.C.T. Timeless.
Peace
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