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Old Feb 03, 05
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major laptop issues (RAM)

I have an HP Pav zv5000 series 3Ghz P4 laptop that had 512mb RAM with 128mb dedicated to the video card... making a total of 384 mb of usable RAM for producing... today I replaced one of the 256 mb chips for a 1024 mb chip and it lags and eats up the same amount of CPU as it did before... no difference at all... the RAM is recognized by the system properties as well...

can anyone help me out?

thanx :)

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You have a 256 MB chip and a 1024 in there. Are you sure that is OK? Maybe the chips need to be the same size.

Is the new chip the right type (speed etc)?
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Old Feb 03, 05
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^ ya what he said, make sure your motherboard model is compatible with the speed that you bought. Check the HP site for your model if you dont know.
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put the original ram back in and see if it does the same thing. If it does then the ram most likely shorted your motherboard but if you call tech support don't say anything about the ram you put in otherwise they will charge you for any repairs because you put a third party ram chip in there and that is considered as voiding there warranty.
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Old Feb 03, 05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by b0ld
put the original ram back in and see if it does the same thing. If it does then the ram most likely shorted your motherboard but if you call tech support don't say anything about the ram you put in otherwise they will charge you for any repairs because you put a third party ram chip in there and that is considered as voiding there warranty.
very good advice here.
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I know because I support there god damn computers...
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you're dumming down your 1024 when running it with the 256. Pull the 256 outta there
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it is the same speed of ram (333MHz) and the tech support at HP said it could be done... they implied in the email that you couldn't take the 256 ram chip out of the motherboard, so thats why I got a 1024 chip instead of 2x512mb... the place I got the ram from said it was the chip was the correct model... its not that anything is damaged... just that there is absolutely no difference in quality...

could it be that my CPU isn't fast enough?
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what sequencing software are you using?
interface?
audio card (AD/DA)?
using softsynths?
Plug-ins?

Some reverb, delay plug-ins are killer on any system...
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cubase 2.0 sx...

I like to rewiring reason... and I also use absynth 3, korg legacy cell, junglist, and a1 synth... I put in lots of reverb and delay in my tracks and I use antereas (sp?) filter... right now I'm just using my onboard sound card... I have a SB Live 24-bit external and a guitarport that I'll use as well, though they don't make too much of a difference in the speed of the music... fact is though that, although there is no deficit in performance, there is also no improvement...

does tom lee or L&M rent pro audio cards? just so I can test one on here...
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Sounds like they have one of your RAM chips soldered in, some Macs and others are like that.

CPU speed should not make a difference, yours is very fast.

One thing you might be able to do with your laptop to get more RAM for applications software - is to reduce the graphics memory allocation since you have a shared memory system. The ATI driver lets the user do that. I think the full graphics memory is only used by games and maybe huge graphics images.

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is "CPU usage" related to RAM usage?
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Re your first post, to clarify - with the bigger RAM, your programs and laptop are running not as good as before (lagging), or the same as before?

If it is running the same as before and you're disappointed it's not faster, the program(s) you're running don't need the extra RAM. But always good to have some extra.

I find 512 is plenty good on my tower computer for a big load of programs but it does not share memory with the graphics board.
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OK, Absynth is a CPU killer for one, if you're using all those reverbs and such I can see why it's going slow.

Try finding the "CPU usage" setting in those programs and set them at under 100%, like 80-90% is good, that will stop it from freezing at least.

A good audio card (internal/or external) will take care of alot- it will take a major load off the CPU, which will allow it to work harder on the effects and softsynths. I used to run an M-audio DUO with Cubase and Reason with no problems, and had really low latency. If you get into the higher end stuff, it will change your world, lol.

When using Cubase, try the freeze function....it will help your CPU usage. What I would do is keep all the reverbs and delays off untill rendering, so set them, then turn them off; when it's mixed, fire them all up again.
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here's outlines of my two most recent tracks... I'm using my built-in soundcard at 110ms input latency and 875ms output latency at 44.1K/16-bit

atmosbreak-1

A1 (factory)
-doubledelay(factory)
-reverb a(factory)
-anteras filter vst
LM-7 (factory)
- analogic delay vst
- multiband compressor (factory)
Junglist
- anteras filter vst
Absynth 2.0
- anteras filter
- TC Native reverb master
A1 2
- anteras filter
- analogic delay
A1 3
- anteras filter
- analogic delay
FX Channel
- UV22 HR

and this runs at 50 CPU stopped and 60 CPU while playing... and uses 150mb ram

ambient6

Reason
- anteras filter
- analogic delay
Reaktor4
- nothing
Absynth 3.0
- TC Native reverb master
Korg Legacy Cell
- analogic delay
- Reaktor 4 FX "anima"

runs at 40 CPU stopped and 50 CPU playing... and uses 250mb ram

they all have different settings so I don't put any of the delays or verbs in FX channels

so... is this how things should be working? too much? too less?
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Ya, without a pro audio card thats what it's going to look like. 40-60% will be normal for that amount of effects. It doesn't look like much, but that's the way it is. You can only go so far with a SB card.

You have to realize that those are some pretty hefty softsynths/programs you're running, without a sound card with lots of dedicated processing power everything gets dumped to the CPU. No amount of ram will fix that, you need raw audio processing power my friend :)

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Old Feb 05, 05
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what kind of card would you recommend? needs to be external...

I'd really like to try one before I buy one... any place rent?
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