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May 05, 05
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question for the djs.
I have decided to get back into djing a little bit more. I sold my tables before I left to travel and now have the chance to buy a new set. I won't be spending much money on breaks (I have a new love for hiphop, funk, 80's etc) and I wan't a table that I can scratch on.
I can get any technics product at cost from Panasonic. The sl1200's are 612$ each and the new cd tables are something like 1020$ each.. What should I do? I know that the cd tables have had some sour reviews from some people(links) and the scratching apparently dfoesnt sound good but technics have totally won me over with their product quality. How much are the equivalent to the cd tables? pioneer? denon? any reviews or ideas would be appreciated I will place my order tommorow. 
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May 05, 05
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I just watched a video last night where they were scratching with all 3 of the top models from Technics Denon and Pioneer. When they got to the Technics table and started scratching it would emit this weird-ass digital noise, it was bizarre. I'll try to find the link for you Matt and post it here.
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May 05, 05
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Here's the video, Right click and Save Target as...
http://www.wizbitwonderland.com/vide...technics01.mov I personally love mixing on the Pioneer 1000's, and it seems to me the Denon 5000 would be the best for scratching because of the rotating platter. But if the Technics does what it does in that video I don't think you would want it for scratching... ps. I think Winston is selling a Denon 5000.
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May 05, 05
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if your going to go cd, go with the 1000's or something similar, cause pioneer is pretty much every where... whatch the dvd that comes with it and learn all the feeking features that those things have... they are really acurate and easy to use...
i still love the 100's even, the best part about pioneer is that they are very reliable, but on top of that, just like technics turntables are, because there are so many of them out there, parts are cheep
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May 05, 05
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Amen Brother But a little warning, Vinyl is very addictive all your money will go to it. But its worth every penny. I like to refer to it as "BLACK CRACK"
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May 05, 05
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^ Mateo isn't a stranger to Vinyl... just getting back into it. :p
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May 05, 05
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get a table and a cd player.... Anything you have on record can be played on cd too. Play a record, play a cd. Do that up until you have enough money to buy another cd player. I have a feeling that will work out better for you than having 2 tables. Plus theres a lot of cool shit you can do with the new cd players that no one really pulls off cause they are still stuck in "only vinyl" mode. Bring it on Mateo! :)
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May 05, 05
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May 06, 05
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one cd deck, one tt
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May 06, 05
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Back in the early 90s, when this scene was just getting warmed up, the whole electronica music scene COULD have gone with CDs. In fact, the top 40 bars all threw away their turntables and went all CD (I remember those days). CD decks are nothing new... But the electronica producers and DJs CHOSE to stay with vinyl to differentiate themselves and keep themselves far away from the top 40 bars and wedding DJs... One would say "well, the CD decks back then were not sophisticated enough for the electronica/hip hop DJs"... In the case of hip hop DJs and turntablists, I agree with that (and CD decks are STILL not very good for someone like Kid Koala!). But most electronica DJs just mix a track into another track (sometimes quick mixes, sometimes long mixes) and at most, they may layer a couple tracks... none of this requires a sophisticated CD deck. And if it is the effects one is after, there have been many mixers like the Pioneer that have had effects built into them. I actually started out back in 1991 as a CD whore until 1995, when I realized that this scene was all about vinyl, so I switched (my collection electronica/dance from 1991-1995 is all on CDs, and now I am going back and buying some of those on vinyl, when I can ;-) At the end of the day, nothing has the feel of vinyl... watching a DJ flip through their vinyl collection and dropping the needle on the record is NOT the same as watching someone flip through the CD magazine full of burned CDs and sticking a CD in the CD player :-) And don't forget, most people (I am not saying all, but most) who get CD players, get one cause it is cheaper/easier to download and burn music and play it out, over buying records. But don't forget, buying records SUPPORTS OUR SCENE!!!!!! The producers and labels are very small and if you want them to keep putting shit out, someone has to pay for this stuff. Going CD = destroying our culture. my two cents... -f. Last edited by ffa; May 06, 05 at 12:38 PM.
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May 06, 05
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^^You bring up some good points but I disagree with the "going CD = destroying out culture" statement. I pay for all the music that I download that I play out at clubs and parties. Yes I may pay less then if I was buying vinyl, but then again there aren't nearly as many costs when making an mp3 to be downloaded then there is when you press a track on vinyl.
In the end I think it's personal preference. As long as you pay for your music, your music is good, and you can rock a crowd, it shouldn't matter what medium you use. Buying your music = keeping the scene alive. Getting all your stuff from Soulseek = destroying our culture.
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May 06, 05
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i think if there was a company locally that pressed high quality dubplates for reasonable prices (60 quid on chemical is outrageous), that would be just sick sick sick. We'd all be playing our custom remixes and productions. It would push dj's to be alot more unique on the production tip... combining that with spinning.
damn that would be so sick. but if we have to pay the high prices for dubplates, then dj's will definetly have to be paid alot more for playing out.
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I agree with a lot of points but I'm still considering buying one cd tt. Simply because there are those view tracks that I just cannot find on vinyl (too old etc..) but could easily go down to virgin and get.
However, with vinyl, your totally opened up to new types of music that you normally wouldn't get exposed too. Record shopping is one of the best parts of the hobby in my opinion.
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May 06, 05
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for cd decks , scrap technics, scrap denon, scrap all that. Get the Numark CDX's , if you want real vinyl feel and crazy other features, its the one to get. www.numark.com , check it out.
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May 06, 05
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cd decks have some cool features, and you can push them in some different directions, but vinyl is the way to go.
sure it will make you broke......wait thats actually a negative. however, if you've got love for djing you're going to go vinyl. all the top dogs are vinyl djs (no that doesnt include trance, or house djs.) doubling up on cdj's would be kinda difficult. scratching sure isnt the same either. cd's are only good for stuff you produced yourself, or to download some shit that you would never buy yourself on record that you need for a certain gig. having the biggest and best record collection used to be where it was at. you couldnt download your mp3's back then, and there was no re issuing going on. you had to have OG copy's. this all meant digging was a HUGE part of djing. you couldnt just go on the net and order records from a website. if you were living in the middle-of-nowhere, you were driving to the biggest city close to you otherwise you were going to have a weak collection. now, most of us on this board have grown up in the cd, mp3, internet age which makes having dope records easy. however, most of us are still using records. there's something about seeing some dj out and him playing some dope record and you thinking "shit i really need to get that record," instead of "oh i really need to go home and download that song. if everyone downloaded their music to play out, their might not be much variation between different djs having the dopest records. you've gotta put in years of work and thousands of dollars to have a 1000+ collection of records. hours and hours of digging. as a dj, if you're whole "collection" is mp3's then you're fucking weak and should not be djing. put in the time and the money and buy the records. if you've really got love for this stuff then you will. Last edited by wigglesworth; May 06, 05 at 04:27 PM.
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hate to break it to you but I'd rather have a technics cd tt or denon cdj anyday before getting a cdx. Cdx's are plagued with problems. Its a nice concept but its the biggest piece of shit. Almost all of them have an ejecting issue where it has trouble ejecting the cd's. lots of them also having serious firmware issues and there has also been some cases where the cdx has caught on fire. The denon dn-s3000 and dn-s5000 are absolutely nice and I actually plan on getting a set of dn-s3000's.
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