CDJ 800 vs CDJ 400

[hollis]

Originally Posted by dj_soo

that's the whole point tho - just because I can mix on one numark and one technics doesn't mean I'd go out and buy one numark and one technics to work with at home. Unless you're touring non-stop, the setup you're going to use the most is the one at home - so why not have some continuity? I would suggest a pair of 400s or a pair of 800s not one of each.

No one is saying the 400s are shit - most are just saying that the 800 is better and that less because of features and more because it's a bit more time-tested.

I agree with you 100%. I am only saying the the different equipment will not screw you up. Some peeps seem to think it will.

[dj_soo]

on a side note, when I started DJing I did go out and buy one technics and one numark - traded in the numark for another tech pretty much within a week...

[hollis]

yeah, I had one 1200 and an American Dj piece of shit. I ended up using the American DJ for 2 years at home. I wanted to upgrade it but couldn't afford it back then... It was new Vinyl or a 1200. I would always choose new Vinyl.

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by inside

With dj gear, and pro audio equipment, a higher price tag usualy reflects quality of the product. Yes somtimes cheap stuff can be usefull, and most importantly cost effective.

Please understand the difference between "usually" and "always". Because you seem to be confusing the two.

I'm looking forward to getting 4 Behringer BCF2000 (COMPUTER BASED RECORDING - CONTROLLERS - B-CONTROL FADER BCF2000 : Total Recall USB/MIDI Controller Desk with 8 Motorized Faders) for my DAW, because It is what I can afford at the moment (or many moments from now, lol). They currently retail for $219.99 each so for what I want (32 channels of midi fader control, with out any menu digging), my bill is going to be $879.96 before taxes. Now there is another product I've looked at that looks very impressive, and does the same features that the BCF2000 has plus more, and gasp, it's freakin' expensive! Check out the Euphonix MC Mix Euphonix :: MC MIx. That's a far superior product compared to the Behringer, the price of the MC Mix is going for about a grand per unit. So if I want to get the same setup it's going to be 4 grand before taxes (yikes!). The MC mix is a much better build, I bet it will last a very long time, and it's very next gen as far as midi control goes, who the fuck would think to send and recive midi through and ethernet port?

Okay, so picking on Behringer is pretty easy (Daftpunk does use those controllers though). Last example, cause I tell you what It takes way to long to respond to this stuff.

Now up Sennheiser HD 25's (Sennheiser Electronic - HD 25-1 II) versus Pioneer's HDJ-1000 (Pioneer USA - Accessories) I'm not going to go too much in depth except for what I know from trying both out. The HDJ-1000 build is junk, they distort when driven (your head will blow up before the HD 25's do!), they are not flat so there is no chance of dual use if your into producing when you can't have your monitors on. Wait for it... wait for it... The Hd25's are more expensive!!!

The general rule with pro audio, and dj gear... The more expensive it is; the better it is. There is a reason why I own Yamaha monitors over Adams.

TL;DR. Why do you respond to my "Dude, you're being offtopic" post with more offtopic shit?

As far as these decks go. Just get the 800's so you can go back and forth and not worry about using a different deck, that will be a bit different to use (that jog wheel is my concern) then what you would be playing out at a show (1000's). In all honesty, who would want to just use somthing just in the bedroom. If I had no ambition of getting out of the bedroom and doing what I want to do with my music, I would have given up long ago... Countless hours in front of a screen, or decks with not much of a social life seems to be bit of a waste. Tell you the truth; it would be much easier to be just a regular dude, working, working out, spending money on pimping a ride, and chasing women. Show some ambition and get the proper gear!!!

Okay. So now you're saying he should drop more scrilla for consistency's sake. Okay, how about he just get two 400's and save himself even more money? Give a reason that the 400 is worse than the 800 already or STFU. *sigh* edit: NB having a lighter wallet is NOT a good reason.

P.S. doing dance music is still fun! but it's a big commitment if you want to do it right!

I don't disagree with this, but you're still missing the point and you just wasted a massive tldr explaining stuff that has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE QUESTION BEING ASKED. Doing it right doesn't necessarily mean spending as much as you can on gear.

It's like saying you should buy the I Am Rich iPod application because all the other iPod applications that are more expensive are generally more useful. You're overextending the analogy and your point still isn't valid.

[inside]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

TL;DR. Why do you respond to my "Dude, you're being offtopic" post with more offtopic shit?

How am I offtopic? I said previously that it's a better idea to get the 800's over the 400's because they are closer to what you would play on at shows. AKA the 1000's! I also stated that getting more expensive gear is better, without much more explaining. So I splained Lucy.

I think your being a bit thick. Get off drugs!

Originally Posted by ebbomega

Okay. So now you're saying he should drop more scrilla for consistency's sake. Okay, how about he just get two 400's and save himself even more money? Give a reason that the 400 is worse than the 800 already or STFU. *sigh* edit: NB having a lighter wallet is NOT a good reason.

I'll say it again then. The 800's are as close to the 1000's you can get. The 1000's are what they stock at shows. Yes I know it's not a 800 vs 1000 question, but if anybody asked any kind of question regaurding what cd deck to get over what cd deck, they will always get the same respounce. If you can't afford the 1000's, buy the 800's.

Originally Posted by ebbomega

I don't disagree with this, but you're still missing the point and you just wasted a massive tldr explaining stuff that has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE QUESTION BEING ASKED. Doing it right doesn't necessarily mean spending as much as you can on gear.

it might not have anything to do with the question asked. I was replying to YOUR post.
If you have a large budget you will spend money on the best gear you can get, period. If you have a small budget, you will still spend money on the best gear you can get, period. Guess what? The best gear has a higher price tag then crap cheap gear!

Originally Posted by ebbomega

It's like saying you should buy the I Am Rich iPod application because all the other iPod applications that are more expensive are generally more useful. You're overextending the analogy and your point still isn't valid.

I don't know what the deal is with the Ipod applications, but i do know this; That's a shit analogy man, it has nothing to do with music technology at all (well maybe if they have some sort of soft studio application. That would be awsome!).

man you guys have been thick latley. Thank God your not into production. If ya can't figure out decks on your own at this point, man....:evil::sad2::cry:

[inside]

I think I'm getting trolled now by Dave.

[ppcock]

The 400 has the same features of the 1000 except for the massive jog wheel.

Friendler rolls but those can be learned by the 800.
I wouldnt be suprised if the new wave of 1000's have features that the 400 does like the usb support, ability to let the DJ control the effect 100% via the jog wheel.

There's a lot of really cool shit on the 400, with just as much features as the 1000, actually.. a bit more.

I've now used both, and honestly switching from a 400 to a 1000 for a club, would not be that difficult. Just remembering I cannot control my effects.


Basically, I can learn how to use a CDJ 1000 by using both the CDJ 800 and 400 which, now that I think about it.. You combine both, and you've got the 1000.


MK fuckin 80

[ppcock]

and it's not us.. it's you..

you're close minded.

dave has a fantastic ability/knowledge of DJing, suprised the shit out of me when he played at my party.

[b0ld]

cueing, pitch bending, -/+ pitch adjustment... all the same thing regardless of what type of cdj

[inside]

oh how i loathe the dj that dosen't make beats.

[mapleleaf4ever]

jesus... why does every gear opinion thread turn into a pissing contest?

we get it, you can mix with one hand behind your back on a fisher price turntable and a sony discman.

we also don't care about that. spit the opinion about the gear and stfu. :)

Originally Posted by inside

oh how i loathe the dj that doesn't make beats.

i would love to start an argument about how that's a moronic statement but i will refrain as that's a completely different thread.

[inside]

Originally Posted by mapleleaf4ever

jesus... why does every gear opinion thread turn into a pissing contest?

we get it, you can mix with one hand behind your back on a fisher price turntable and a sony discman.

we also don't care about that. spit the opinion about the gear and stfu. :)



i would love to start an argument about how that's a moronic statement but i will refrain as that's a completely different thread.

I am retiring from posting in this section for ever. It's not worth the headache.

Cheers

Stu

[ppcock]

Aka

I'm retarded, I'll stop making stupid comments.

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by inside

oh how i loathe the dj that dosen't make beats.

Foot-in-mouth instance the second. Stay gold, pony boy.

[Phrenetic]

Originally Posted by inside

I am retiring from posting in this section for ever. It's not worth the headache.

Cheers

Stu

Future producers and TA are much better for gear talk. I usually go there.