Hippy / Discordian quote

ebbomega · #1 (**permalink**) Nov 23, 06

Somehow seemed appropriate to post in this section for some reason.

"Theology is just a debate over who to frame for creating reality. What we imagine is order is merely the prevailing form of chaos."
- Kerry Thornley

From the Introduction of the Fifth Edition of the Principia Discordia

tiedye · #2 (**permalink**) Nov 23, 06

What a coincience.. I was just reading up on Discordianism last night. Hence the quote from the Principia Discordia in my signature.

It sparked a brief conversation with 3507321C about the concept of order/chaos. He said that order is the natural state of the universe; the universe marble, not sand. In the end, I'm inclined to agree with him. I figure that order exists without chaos but without order there is nothing for chaos to deviate from.

Grapes · #3 (**permalink**) Nov 23, 06

Quote:

"What we imagine is order is merely the prevailing form of chaos."

What's chaotic and what's orderly can depend on your point of view.

tiedye · #4 (**permalink**) Nov 24, 06

In this particular case, I believe the order of the Universe is the point of view.

Grapes · #5 (**permalink**) Nov 24, 06

Good luck figuring out what the universe is thinking.

ebbomega · #6 (**permalink**) Nov 24, 06

^^ What he said.

Order and chaos are entirely perceptions... and one creates the other. An attempt to create order will invite only chaos. Any attempts to instill chaos seem to work themselves out.

I'm kind of the opposite line of thought from the whole Universe-is-marble deal. The Universe is a bunch of sand trying to melt itself into glass. For a really good discourse on that check out God's Debris by Scott Adams (yes, the Dilbert guy. No it's not a Dilbert book). The universe SEEMS to be orderly but the second you look closely at it the order dissolves into chaos. What looks like a solid, like a hard piece of wood, is really just a bunch of particles spinning around so fast that they _look_ like they're solid, when in actuality 99% of everything is empty space. If you were to take a snapshot of the universe at any given point in time, it would just be billions upon billions of little spots made up to look like solid forms.

Look at galaxies. They appear to have form, but the second you zoom in on them it turns out that the swirls and bulges are actually just a bunch of stars dispersed all over space.

Order is created by Chaos. Or is it the other way around?