Horse tranquilizer? Date Rape?

[acidic_liquid]

A friend of mine said her friend was drugged while at a club (herself too, maybe). They don't remember a time in the night when someone else had access to their drinks. She's thinking it's the first two caesars they drank, which the waitress brought to them. She also claims that it's the bartender who did it.

I find it a little hard to believe. Her friend was drugged, it's sure (we went to the hospital). I'm not sure she was. She thinks there wasn't as much on hers, or she didn't finish her drink.

Is the thought of the bartender drugging customers that far fetched? She said he does it so customers will come back because of all the "easy" girls.

What do you guys think?

[MistressSpankME]

I have had fears of that before.. If someone offers to buy me a drink I either go right up to the bar with them or only accept it if the waitress has brought it straight to me. But WHAT IF, and no its not too far fetched, the bar tender has slipped something in it, or the waitress was offered a few bucks to do so or turn a blind eye. Just because they are bar staff, or aren't the ones trying to rape you, doesn't mean they are trustworthy, upstanding citizens that wouldn't partake in, or allow such a thing to happen.

I highly doubt it happens very much, and it most likely was someone on the hunt (it is really hard to keep an eye on your drink during a night out, and super easy to slip something in it). So she may be wrong... Plus where was this? Most of the clubs around here, especially because they serve alchahol, have no shortage of "easy girls".

And where does she get the idea that he does it so people will come for the easy girls? If its happened before and there has been suspicions then she fucking better welld o something about it. Now if its just an idea, or a way to point fingers, then thats not cool.

[charly]

does she even remember the whole night?

if she doesn't, then there's a huge chance she could've left her drink somewhere, turned around, picked up someone else's, etc. but if she was drunk enough, she might not even remember that.

[acidic_liquid]

This is at the Plaza on Granville. I've never heard of anything like it before.

She thinks it's the Caesars because it's the only drink that they didn't get directly from the bar. And she says they don't remember anything AFTER drinking them.

I was with them the whole time, and I didn't see anyone else touching their drinks. But I can't be too sure because I had to just all of a sudden act as a babysitter for both of them, and they weren't always together (but never in different areas).

[-Dubs-]

i never put anything past me now-a-days but that does sound a little outlandish what could he even do with her anyways, he is working probably ALL NIGHT!!!!

she probably was just a cheap drunk, or maybe mixed perscription drugs with drinks or something...... just sounds too far fetched.

[acidic_liquid]

She's saying that the bartender didnt plan on making he moves on them, he put the drugs in so they'll be "easy" and guys can make a move. Then guys will come back knowing that the Plaza has easy girls. I find this really hard to believe.

I don't believe my friend was drugged. She's not a cheap drunk (mix of Irish AND Native, etc. haha), but she did drink a LOT. However, her friend ended up at the hospital that night, and they did tests and found out that she was drugged.

[decypher]

Yeh theres this little thing called Alcohol, when your drink it, sometimes it tends to make your forget things.

Theres gotta be other symptoms besides that, a really close friend of mine had her drink spiked and was raped, makes me sick.

[lou_belle]

I've seen my friends get drugged at a house party and was fighting guys off of them like wolves on sheep, everytime. Seriously, it was disgusting..I wouldn't doubt the bartender thing is totally plausible. It's really important to make sure that you keep an eye on your drink at all times, that's why I put my drink in a water bottle at house parties now, so I can close it and run around;P

One time a friend of mine did get raped, let her outta my sight for ten minutes and then went to the washroom and I heard it going on..picked the lock and ugh..she was acting all wierd, like she couldn't say no and was just laying down all over the place, before he made his move. He just waited until the minute I left her side. That definately was the date-rape drug, she told me the next day she didn't remember a thing~

[sNyx]

Originally Posted by acidic_liquid

A friend of mine said her friend was drugged while at a club (herself too, maybe). They don't remember a time in the night when someone else had access to their drinks. She's thinking it's the first two caesars they drank, which the waitress brought to them. She also claims that it's the bartender who did it.

I find it a little hard to believe. Her friend was drugged, it's sure (we went to the hospital). I'm not sure she was. She thinks there wasn't as much on hers, or she didn't finish her drink.

Is the thought of the bartender drugging customers that far fetched? She said he does it so customers will come back because of all the "easy" girls.

What do you guys think?

I've' heard about the same story from people attending a few different clubs on Granville. High end (Caprice) and more lower (edit). This isn't' to say their bad, I mean I have a great time at Plaza or Tonic on the random night I go. Commodore is always a treat.

it's just girls out drinking AND/OR accepting drinks from guys IS the usual story. It could be Granville or Victoria, doesnt matter every girl should take extra special caution anytime their out downtown evenings. On the streets or in the clubs (that means any of them).

I however highly doubt the bartender 'spilled' some ruffies in her drink. If one was extremely sick and the other only slightly (my guess would be..) one drank the majority of said drink, the other drank just a few sips.

I mean what your sayin.. " the bartender does it to bring guys back because 'the girls are easy' " is the dumbest thing since Windows ME. That fact alone would have any place shutdown in a month. Not only would it require the tender to 'brag' or comment on the fact he drugs girls but have built a big enough reputation that even people such as yourself know about it. sounds like a nasty rumor some competitors would start.

now im quite drunk, I'll edit this as I see fit tomorrow..
quote away.

[yoko*]

ugh. Reading this makes me really reconsider accepting any drink at all, whether paid for by the bartender or paid by my own $.

This absolutely disgusts me. You're an awesome friend for keeping an eye on the both of them or else something terrible could have happened.

People are so fucking sick.

[sinnerman]

Originally Posted by acidic_liquid

I don't believe my friend was drugged. She's not a cheap drunk (mix of Irish AND Native, etc. haha), but she did drink a LOT. However, her friend ended up at the hospital that night, and they did tests and found out that she was drugged.

Horse tranq (I'm assuming you mean ketamine) and date-rape (I'm assuming you mean GHB) are very different. Ketamine's tricky, clumsy and unconventional, but GHB tastes like death; even when mixed in with other drinks it's pretty hard not to notice it, but sure it is possible, especially if you've already had a lot to drink. Anyways, Rohypnol is much more effective and user-friendly, but most people just can't seem to get their hands on it recently. So...what was the chemical used? The hospital would have clearly identified it in order to substantiate the possibility that she was drugged.

[PARTYGIRLSTAYC]

^^^ummm K is NOT horse tranq..sorry to correct yea..Its a cat tranq..VERY BIG DIFFERENCE !!!Great to see you know what your drugs taste like BUT don't know what the fuck they are !!!

[Varney Rae]

If the bartender scenario is how it went then that is pretty sick. However it doesnt take much to turn away form a drink for a minute or two, and I doubt you were by their side the ENTIRE time. When she was tested did they know which exact drug was used? It had to of been some kind of tranquilizer considering Rohypnol(roofies,daterape) doesnt come clear and colourless anymore. Since it is an over-the-counter drug to begin with they have added another chemical into it that makes it turn blue when put in a drink, so really you cant be drugged too easily with date-rape unless your drinking rum and coke or are incredibly smashed and dont happen to notice your gin and tonic has turned blue.

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by sinnerman

Horse tranq (I'm assuming you mean ketamine) and date-rape (I'm assuming you mean GHB) are very different. Ketamine's tricky, clumsy and unconventional, but GHB tastes like death; even when mixed in with other drinks it's pretty hard not to notice it, but sure it is possible, especially if you've already had a lot to drink. Anyways, Rohypnol is much more effective and user-friendly, but most people just can't seem to get their hands on it recently. So...what was the chemical used? The hospital would have clearly identified it in order to substantiate the possibility that she was drugged.

GHB is the common one (growth hormone, afaik).

Ketamine is a cat tranq, not a horse tranq.

Tastes like sweaty smelly socks, that ghb stuff does.

Isn't PCP a horse tranq? Or am I way off base?

[diva]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

GHB is the common one (growth hormone, afaik).

Ketamine is a cat tranq, not a horse tranq.

You can use ketamine on any animal

[sinnerman]

Originally Posted by PARTYGIRLSTAYC

^^^ummm K is NOT horse tranq..sorry to correct yea..Its a cat tranq..VERY BIG DIFFERENCE !!!Great to see you know what your drugs taste like BUT don't know what the fuck they are !!!

Hmm...shut up, stupid girl!

Firstly, I assumed she meant K because that's what most ppl mean by "horse tranq", even tho I know that it's an ambiguous & inaccurate label.

Secondly, my dear, it's not a big difference cause this thread isn't for veterinarians! (lemme guess, you like horses?) In fact, ketamine does pretty much the same shit to cats, horses & humans: it anesthetises them.

[sinnerman]

Originally Posted by varn

It had to of been some kind of tranquilizer considering Rohypnol(roofies,daterape) doesnt come clear and colourless anymore. Since it is an over-the-counter drug to begin with they have added another chemical into it that makes it turn blue when put in a drink, so really you cant be drugged too easily with date-rape unless your drinking rum and coke or are incredibly smashed and dont happen to notice your gin and tonic has turned blue.

Rohypnol is a benzodiazepam--same thing as valium but like 10 times stronger--so it's only available in some places by prescripton (not here, it's prohibited in Canada/USA). Where can you buy it over-the-counter, cause that doesn't sound right? Also, it takes like 20 minutes before the drink goes blue, so it's still kinda dangerous.

[sinnerman]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

GHB is the common one (growth hormone, afaik).
Ketamine is a cat tranq, not a horse tranq.
Tastes like sweaty smelly socks, that ghb stuff does.
Isn't PCP a horse tranq? Or am I way off base?

Uh, are you trying to correct me or just elaborate, cause you've got your facts a little mixed up? GHB is totally different from growth hormone (HGH), but GHB does stimulate your body to release/make HGH. PCP was originally designed as a human tranquillizer, but it's not used anymore because most people (and horses) react very badly during recovery.

That being said, PCP is definitely one of the most fun drugs out there! Just keep your dose low and you're guaranteed a good time. It's a lot like K, but way stronger and much more euphoric/exciting. If anyone's goin' to Montreal bring some back, would ya? *Sigh* it's not too popular here so it's a little hard to come by...

[impure]

Originally Posted by PARTYGIRLSTAYC

^^^ummm K is NOT horse tranq..sorry to correct yea..Its a cat tranq..VERY BIG DIFFERENCE !!!Great to see you know what your drugs taste like BUT don't know what the fuck they are !!!

he knows, but most people assume k is horse tranq.
hell, he's dating me and i'm a fucking horse trainer, and he knows that never once have i given ketamine to one of my horses, fuck, if i took any rompun or the likes i would probably die.
the only horse tranq i think people could consume is ace. and that's actually cat and dog tranq that is used as a mild sedative for horses.

so trust me, he knows.

[impure]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

GHB is the common one (growth hormone, afaik).

Ketamine is a cat tranq, not a horse tranq.

Tastes like sweaty smelly socks, that ghb stuff does.

Isn't PCP a horse tranq? Or am I way off base?

i've never given pcp to my horses.
neither has any of my vets.
trust me, if my vets had it i would have bought some by now.

horse tranq would kill the average human, trust me, i've seen what it does to horses. if it does that to a 1200 lb horse (they can BARLEY walk and you have to lean them on the wall so they don't fall) you can imagine what it would do to a human.

any tranq used on horses that is mild is actually sold as cat and dog tranq, hence it being much weaker and safe for human consumption. any tranq that is sold as horse tranq is like death. the bottles have little drawings to indicate what animals each drug is intended for.

[impure]

Originally Posted by diva

You can use ketamine on any animal

of course, but it's sold and marketed as cat sedative, i have never seen it with one of my vets.
most of my vets are track vets, so they'd have EVERY type of tranq used on horses.
i suspect that ketamine, due to it's mild nature and nature is not used because it would have to be used in such quantity that it would be not ecinomicaly feesable. why use that when you have ace or liquid ace that is cheap and works as well if not better?

[dapimpstress]

Originally Posted by acidic_liquid

A friend of mine said her friend was drugged while at a club (herself too, maybe). They don't remember a time in the night when someone else had access to their drinks. She's thinking it's the first two caesars they drank, which the waitress brought to them. She also claims that it's the bartender who did it.

I find it a little hard to believe. Her friend was drugged, it's sure (we went to the hospital). I'm not sure she was. She thinks there wasn't as much on hers, or she didn't finish her drink.

Is the thought of the bartender drugging customers that far fetched? She said he does it so customers will come back because of all the "easy" girls.

What do you guys think?

I think its bullshit. Obviously they drank too much, and couldn't remember what happened after those first two. More likey, what happened, was that the bartender made these two cute girls, some stiff drinks, and then they got drinks bought for them or something by some random person, who put the drugs in their drinks.

[impure]

Originally Posted by Ashes

I think its bullshit. Obviously they drank too much, and couldn't remember what happened after those first two. More likey, what happened, was that the bartender made these two cute girls, some stiff drinks, and then they got drinks bought for them or something by some random person, who put the drugs in their drinks.

sounds about right.
either that or the do remember, but they dont WANT to remember.
so they fake amnesia.

[PARTYGIRLSTAYC]

some facts on 1 of the horse tranqs. that are out there

Acepromazine is one of the most commonly used tranquilizers for horses.
It may be used alone or in combination with other sedative drugs such as xylazine, detomidine, or butorphanol. Because acepromazine lowers blood pressure by dilating small blood vessels, it is sometimes prescribed in the early treatment of laminitis in order to diminish vaso-spasm and possibly improve circulation within the hoof. Acepromazine is also used in horses that are prone to exertional rhabdomyolysis both as a preventative, and as a part of the treatment due to its vasodilatory properties. When acepromazine is used in the treatment of more severe cases of exertional rhabdomyolysis, intravenous fluids may be desirable to increase hydration and support renal function.

Onset of action of acepromazine varies with route of administration: oral acepromazine may take 30 minutes to an hour. The effects of acepromazine will last from 1 to 4 hours, but this varies significantly with dose and among individual horses. Acepromazine is a prohibited substance in most sanctioned competition. Oral administration or long-term, repeated dosing may increase detection time.

[PARTYGIRLSTAYC]

Yes some of you were on the right track with PCP

PCP is the common name for the chemical Phencyclidine. It's pharmacological nature is commonly referred to as Disassociative Anesthetic, however it can possess the properties of a CNS depressant, CNS stimulant, a hallucinogenic, and an analgesic. Street names include Peace Pill, angel dust, crystal, hog, horse tranquilizer, flakes, embalming fluid, and rocket fuel. It is sometimes mixed with marijuana and referred to as Love Boat or Killer Weed. It can also be mixed with crack, which is known as Space Basing.

PCP was developed after WWI as a surgical anesthetic. Later found to NOT be safe it was shelved until 1957 when Parke-Davis pharmaceuticals dusted it off, renamed it Sernyl, and began testing it again as an anesthetic. It was effective, but the side effects were severe hallucinations, jumbled speech, and delirium so P-D discontinued testing in 1965. Still looking for a use for the drug, Parke-Davis renamed it again, this time Sernylan, and marketed it as an animal tranquilizer