Adoption & Celebrities

[*SunShyne*]

oh don't even get me started on that wanker Bono... he;s right up there with that guy who does the world aid tours

[LLaaUUrrYYn]

Originally Posted by *SunShyne*

oh don't even get me started on that wanker Bono... he;s right up there with that guy who does the world aid tours

When you do something to help disease/poverty or the world in general, then you have the right to say something. But you dont, and probably never will..so stop being so god damned ignorant.

[MissBehavior]

Originally Posted by LLaaUUrrYYn

When you do something to help disease/poverty or the world in general, then you have the right to say something. But you dont, and probably never will..so stop being so god damned ignorant.

+1'd.

[*SunShyne*]

Originally Posted by LLaaUUrrYYn

When you do something to help disease/poverty or the world in general, then you have the right to say something. But you dont, and probably never will..so stop being so god damned ignorant.

So what's crawled up your snatch and died? Everytime I post something you call me "so god damned ignorant"... So I must ask... when did you become Mother Tesesa?

How many kids have you adopted over seas? How much of your weekly cheque goes to "fighting AIDS" or "Feeding the children". I put those in quotation marks because we all know that a large portion of that "donation" goes to keeping those "non profit" organizations alive... publicity, "volunteers"... Sally Struthers.

I refuse to help out those in third world countries for that exact reason.

I've travelled over many parts of the world and have seen poverty, dispair, disease and death. Money is not going to help these people. Have you spoken with any villiagers who run their own little tables in markets? They're getting by just fine! Just because there isn't a starbucks on every corner doesn't mean they're not happy! I did ask one Gypsy in Brussles and she said that she was happy with what she was doing. She said she was fine. What's the big deal? As for those in Africa (for example), let them keep killing eachother... Infact, for us (in a first world country) & some 2nd world countries, we need these people to keep dying of disease and in poverty so that we can all keep on living out lower-middle class ways here in North America. Call me mean hearted or whatever you will... but think of the effects that a signifigant turn around in these third world countries would have on OUR social, political and economical situations. Think about that long and hard before you come back with a snappy "oh you're sooo ignorant" comment.

I bet you anything you're one of those people who disagrees with someone just for the sake of being a bitch, and to make people think you're "cool" for using the word "ignorant". Seriously, stop, it's annoying as hell m'kay?

[*SunShyne*]

Madonna blames media for adoption frenzy
Oct. 25, 2006. 05:30 AM
ASSOCIATED PRESS

NEW YORK — Madonna told Oprah Winfrey Tuesday she was surprised by the firestorm surrounding her efforts to adopt a 13-month-old boy from the African country of Malawi. And she blamed the media for it. Madonna taped the interview via satellite from London, for airing Wednesday. It was the first time she'd spoken publicly in depth about the adoption. According to a member of the "Oprah" audience, Madonna said she was startled by press reports about the toddler's father, Yohane Banda, who was quoted last week as saying he didn't realize he was signing away custody of his son, David, "for good.'' "She said she met with the father, she looked him in the eye,'' audience member Sheryl Lewis recounted. Madonna, she added, said she acted according to the law and had both "oral and written approval...and now the press have gotten to him," Lewis said.

In an interview posted Tuesday on Time magazine's Web site, Banda said, for his son's sake, he will not contest the adoption. "I don't want my child, who is already gone to come back," he said. "I will be killing his future if I accept that.'' Madonna told the "Oprah" audience that she and her husband, Guy Ritchie, had been thinking about adoption for more than two years, said Lewis, who lives in Deerfield, Ill. Another "Oprah" audience member, Amanda Bannon of Crawfordsville, Ind., told ABC News that "the biggest thing was that Madonna wants to get the point across that she doesn't want this to be a discouragement to other families to not adopt.'' Madonna, 48, traveled to Malawi on Oct. 4 with Ritchie. They spent eight days visiting orphanages she is funding through her charity. David was taken to London last week after Malawi's High Court granted Madonna and Ritchie an interim adoption order. Madonna has two children — daughter Lourdes, 9, and son Rocco, 6.

Taken from here

So the episode airs today on Oprah...

[C_squared]

Hey how's the weather up your own asses? Instead of generalizing with your own moral beliefs on adoption maybe you should dig a little bit more and read what Stephen posted here and get acquainted with what the real problem is. This kid was taken away from an African community where: yes its a living hell hole, and yes the literacy level is below sub-par. This kids father was not well informed when he signed documents to have his only son shipped off to London. How is that right? Sure this kid is being taken to a new, modern, somewhat safer environment, but you don't just strip him of his heritage so coldly.

Originally Posted by stephen_c

new twist
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/...entry_id=10135

Father Claims Madonna Adoption Wasn't Explained to Him
The father of the 13-month-old Malawian boy adopted by Madonna claims he had no idea he was sending his son "away for good" and if he had known he would never have agreed to the adoption.

Yohane Banda, 32, says local officials in Malawi never properly explained the procedure to him and he thought the pop superstar would only be looking after his son David during his education.

Madonna and her husband Guy Ritchie were granted interim adoption of 13-month-old David Banda last Tuesday. But Yohane, who is illiterate, said yesterday, "I was never told that adoption means that David will no longer be my son ... If I was told this, I would not have allowed the adoption.

"I want more clarification on the adoption. I would prefer that David goes back to the orphanage where I can see him any time I want, rather than send him away for good.

"I cannot read or write so I relied on what (government) officials told me, that the papers said Madonna would look after the child the way the orphanage planned to educate him.

"What we agreed with Madonna was that she looks after my child until he finishes school and becomes independent. Then he comes back to me."

Last week, the Malawian human rights group protesting against the adoption had its lawsuit deferred until this coming Friday.

The Human Rights Consultative Committee wants a judge to impose an injunction to ensure Madonna and Ritchie return to Malawi in order to go through complete adoption checks.

The group believe Madonna whisked the child back to London before the procedure could be undertaken, and reportedly took advice from a Californian adoption agency in a bid to dodge strict UK measures.

They too claim Yohane was unaware of the logistics of the situation when he allowed his child to be taken to Britain.





http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/...,00.html?f=rss

Dad: I Didn't Understand
Updated: 13:52, Sunday October 22, 2006

The father of the baby boy Madonna wants to adopt has claimed he never intended his son to be adopted by the pop star - only for her to raise the child on his behalf.

His comments add a fresh twist to the saga that has gripped world attention over recent weeks.

Yohane Banda says he had no idea Madonna wanted to fully adopt his 13-month-old son David.

"Had they told us that Madonna wanted to adopt my son and make him her own son, we would not have agreed to that," he said.

Mr Banda added: "I cannot read and write so I relied on what the (government) officials told me that the papers said Madonna would look after the child the way the orphanage planned to educate him and then he comes back to me."

Asked if he had any copies of the agreements he signed with Madonna, Mr Banda said: "I am still waiting to get my copies."


Madge heads for the gym Speaking from his home town of Lipunga, he told Reuters that Madonna had asked that she be able to raise his one-year-old son on his behalf, rather than the child becoming her own.

"It would have been better for him to continue staying at the orphanage because I see no reason why my child should be given away forever when I can feed him," he said.

His statement is a major shift from his earlier remarks when he railed against human rights groups that have gone to court to stop the star from adopting his son.

Madonna released a statement earlier this week saying she was amazed at the amount of criticism levelled at her over the adoption.

And she has also insisted that she has acted entirely within the law to "help one child escape an extreme life of hardship".

On Friday, the High Court in Lilongwe will begin hearing a case lodged by the Human Rights Consultative Committee (HRCC), an alliance of 67 human rights groups, which argues current Malawi laws forbid international adoption, even by celebrities.








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Originally Posted by *SunShyne*

So what's crawled up your snatch and died? Everytime I post something you call me "so god damned ignorant"... So I must ask... when did you become Mother Tesesa?

How many kids have you adopted over seas? How much of your weekly cheque goes to "fighting AIDS" or "Feeding the children". I put those in quotation marks because we all know that a large portion of that "donation" goes to keeping those "non profit" organizations alive... publicity, "volunteers"... Sally Struthers.

I refuse to help out those in third world countries for that exact reason.

I've travelled over many parts of the world and have seen poverty, dispair, disease and death. Money is not going to help these people. Have you spoken with any villiagers who run their own little tables in markets? They're getting by just fine! Just because there isn't a starbucks on every corner doesn't mean they're not happy! I did ask one Gypsy in Brussles and she said that she was happy with what she was doing. She said she was fine. What's the big deal? As for those in Africa (for example), let them keep killing eachother... Infact, for us (in a first world country) & some 2nd world countries, we need these people to keep dying of disease and in poverty so that we can all keep on living out lower-middle class ways here in North America. Call me mean hearted or whatever you will... but think of the effects that a signifigant turn around in these third world countries would have on OUR social, political and economical situations. Think about that long and hard before you come back with a snappy "oh you're sooo ignorant" comment.

I bet you anything you're one of those people who disagrees with someone just for the sake of being a bitch, and to make people think you're "cool" for using the word "ignorant". Seriously, stop, it's annoying as hell m'kay?

go back to the bar, hooch.

[LLaaUUrrYYn]

I call you ignorant because that is the way you come off. Travelling around the world, and seeing poverty/disease doesnt make you a better judge of whats going on. Doing something to help is better than nothing at all. This thread isnt about our social/economical/political situations..its about ADOPTION. I have said nothing how I feel on those situations. =D

As far as "Whats crawled up my snatch and died"... well that just shows your level of maturity. You can trash talk, and call names all you want, but that still wont make me stop thinking your ignorant.

Any thread posted is open for discussion, arguement, and opinions. If you dont like what people say, dont make stupid threads.

And your definately right. I just post the opposite of what you have to say, STRICTLY to become more popular in this cyber world. =D

Originally Posted by *SunShyne*

So what's crawled up your snatch and died? Everytime I post something you call me "so god damned ignorant"... So I must ask... when did you become Mother Tesesa?

How many kids have you adopted over seas? How much of your weekly cheque goes to "fighting AIDS" or "Feeding the children". I put those in quotation marks because we all know that a large portion of that "donation" goes to keeping those "non profit" organizations alive... publicity, "volunteers"... Sally Struthers.

I refuse to help out those in third world countries for that exact reason.

I've travelled over many parts of the world and have seen poverty, dispair, disease and death. Money is not going to help these people. Have you spoken with any villiagers who run their own little tables in markets? They're getting by just fine! Just because there isn't a starbucks on every corner doesn't mean they're not happy! I did ask one Gypsy in Brussles and she said that she was happy with what she was doing. She said she was fine. What's the big deal? As for those in Africa (for example), let them keep killing eachother... Infact, for us (in a first world country) & some 2nd world countries, we need these people to keep dying of disease and in poverty so that we can all keep on living out lower-middle class ways here in North America. Call me mean hearted or whatever you will... but think of the effects that a signifigant turn around in these third world countries would have on OUR social, political and economical situations. Think about that long and hard before you come back with a snappy "oh you're sooo ignorant" comment.

I bet you anything you're one of those people who disagrees with someone just for the sake of being a bitch, and to make people think you're "cool" for using the word "ignorant". Seriously, stop, it's annoying as hell m'kay?

[sidekick]

Originally Posted by *SunShyne*

As for those in Africa (for example), let them keep killing eachother... Infact, for us (in a first world country) & some 2nd world countries, we need these people to keep dying of disease and in poverty so that we can all keep on living out lower-middle class ways here in North America. Call me mean hearted or whatever you will... but think of the effects that a signifigant turn around in these third world countries would have on OUR social, political and economical situations. Think about that long and hard before you come back with a snappy "oh you're sooo ignorant" comment.

you have GOT to be kidding. what would the effect of a significant turn around in third world countries be on us? care to enlighten me, since you seem to know all about it here?

Originally Posted by LLaaUUrrYYn

I call you ignorant because that is the way you come off. Travelling around the world, and seeing poverty/disease doesnt make you a better judge of whats going on. Doing something to help is better than nothing at all. This thread isnt about our social/economical/political situations..its about ADOPTION. I have said nothing how I feel on those situations. =D

As far as "Whats crawled up my snatch and died"... well that just shows your level of maturity. You can trash talk, and call names all you want, but that still wont make me stop thinking your ignorant.

Any thread posted is open for discussion, arguement, and opinions. If you dont like what people say, dont make stupid threads.

And your definately right. I just post the opposite of what you have to say, STRICTLY to become more popular in this cyber world. =D

BUT LAUREN IT MAKES HER THE LEADING EXPERT ON THIS BOARD!

[PwInCeSs]

Originally Posted by C_squared

Hey how's the weather up your own asses? Instead of generalizing with your own moral beliefs on adoption maybe you should dig a little bit more and read what Stephen posted here and get acquainted with what the real problem is. This kid was taken away from an African community where: yes its a living hell hole, and yes the literacy level is below sub-par. This kids father was not well informed when he signed documents to have his only son shipped off to London. How is that right? Sure this kid is being taken to a new, modern, somewhat safer environment, but you don't just strip him of his heritage so coldly.

But who knows if the father is just saying that because someone told him to, or he realised that she donated millions to the orphanage.
He says in a new interview that the boy is staying with Madonna so there be it.

I dont understand why when someone adopts a child locally its not a problem but when they are from a poor country people get mad.
Some people have the money to pay all the things that come along with an oversea adoption others dont.
In Canada (im not sure about everywhere) it took 3-4 years to even get a child to adopt and that was in the late 70s- mid 80s. Who knows how long it takes now, less people choose to adopt out children then they did then.

If this was anyone else doing this no one would care, but its Madonna so its a big deal. She is doing a great thing for this little boy, and for the orphange that was donated to.

Originally Posted by *SunShyne*

I've travelled over many parts of the world and have seen poverty, dispair, disease and death. Money is not going to help these people. Have you spoken with any villiagers who run their own little tables in markets? They're getting by just fine! Just because there isn't a starbucks on every corner doesn't mean they're not happy! I did ask one Gypsy in Brussles and she said that she was happy with what she was doing. She said she was fine. What's the big deal? As for those in Africa (for example), let them keep killing eachother... Infact, for us (in a first world country) & some 2nd world countries, we need these people to keep dying of disease and in poverty so that we can all keep on living out lower-middle class ways here in North America. Call me mean hearted or whatever you will... but think of the effects that a signifigant turn around in these third world countries would have on OUR social, political and economical situations. Think about that long and hard before you come back with a snappy "oh you're sooo ignorant" comment.

SIGHEIL LITTLE HITLER!

LETS KILL ALL THE BLACKS AND JEWS TO TO BALANCE OUT OUR ECONOMY!

You are the reason euthanasia should be legalized.

Originally Posted by *SunShyne*

So what's crawled up your snatch and died? Everytime I post something you call me "so god damned ignorant"... So I must ask... when did you become Mother Tesesa?

How many kids have you adopted over seas? How much of your weekly cheque goes to "fighting AIDS" or "Feeding the children". I put those in quotation marks because we all know that a large portion of that "donation" goes to keeping those "non profit" organizations alive... publicity, "volunteers"... Sally Struthers.

I refuse to help out those in third world countries for that exact reason.

I've travelled over many parts of the world and have seen poverty, dispair, disease and death. Money is not going to help these people. Have you spoken with any villiagers who run their own little tables in markets? They're getting by just fine! Just because there isn't a starbucks on every corner doesn't mean they're not happy! I did ask one Gypsy in Brussles and she said that she was happy with what she was doing. She said she was fine. What's the big deal? As for those in Africa (for example), let them keep killing eachother... Infact, for us (in a first world country) & some 2nd world countries, we need these people to keep dying of disease and in poverty so that we can all keep on living out lower-middle class ways here in North America. Call me mean hearted or whatever you will... but think of the effects that a signifigant turn around in these third world countries would have on OUR social, political and economical situations. Think about that long and hard before you come back with a snappy "oh you're sooo ignorant" comment.

I bet you anything you're one of those people who disagrees with someone just for the sake of being a bitch, and to make people think you're "cool" for using the word "ignorant". Seriously, stop, it's annoying as hell m'kay?

Wait, this is Wum, right?

[miss.myra]

Originally Posted by *SunShyne*

Seriously, stop, it's annoying as hell m'kay?

Maybe you should take your own advice.

edit- at this point, I'm really hoping fable comes in to set her straight, seriously!

[LLaaUUrrYYn]

Originally Posted by Avana

BUT LAUREN IT MAKES HER THE LEADING EXPERT ON THIS BOARD!

Stupid people should breed.

Originally Posted by *SunShyne*

I've travelled over many parts of the world and have seen poverty, dispair, disease and death. Money is not going to help these people. Have you spoken with any villiagers who run their own little tables in markets? They're getting by just fine! Just because there isn't a starbucks on every corner doesn't mean they're not happy! I did ask one Gypsy in Brussles and she said that she was happy with what she was doing. She said she was fine. What's the big deal? As for those in Africa (for example), let them keep killing eachother... Infact, for us (in a first world country) & some 2nd world countries, we need these people to keep dying of disease and in poverty so that we can all keep on living out lower-middle class ways here in North America. Call me mean hearted or whatever you will... but think of the effects that a signifigant turn around in these third world countries would have on OUR social, political and economical situations. Think about that long and hard before you come back with a snappy "oh you're sooo ignorant" comment.

K, in all seriousness...

I can't stop coming back to this post over and over, just based on the ignorance.

Is it the babies fault for this? Should this be allowed to continue? Should men in Africa continue to rape babies because it balances out North America's economy, and make us feel better about ourselves?

You are nothing more than a waste of flesh you ignorant, self important scrunt.

[mapleleaf4ever]

I'm personally amazed that a Thread on such an asinine Topic has made it to 4 pages of bitching, fighting, hair-pulling and raspberry giving.

Oh wait... no I'm not.

Carry on.

[miss.myra]

Originally Posted by mapleleaf4ever

I'm personally amazed that a Thread on such an asinine Topic has made it to 4 pages of bitching, fighting, hair-pulling and raspberry giving.

Oh wait... no I'm not.

Carry on.

Have you even read the last two pages? This has degraded into something a little more serious than 'hair pulling' .

edit- and do I really need to point out how useless these replies are? Inane replies bitching about people bitching? Don't you have an opinion?

[sidekick]

^threads like these tend to snowball and go onto tangents.

especially when people make ridiculous claims without thinking and everyone on fnk wants a piece of 'em.

edit: for erik

[mapleleaf4ever]

Originally Posted by miss.myra

Have you even read the last two pages? This has degraded into something a little more serious than 'hair pulling' .

edit- and do I really need to point out how useless these replies are? Inane replies bitching about people bitching? Don't you have an opinion?

Yup, I have an opinion.

People should quit talking about problems that they have with the World and see what they can do to help. Be it Community Service, donating to a Charity of their Choice or even just helping that Old Lady cross the Street. If everyone put as much effort in making 5,000,000 page threads about trivial things that don't affect them like Brangelina (God, I can't believe I actually had to incorporate that into my common lexis) adopting Children and actually started contributing; the World would be a much better place. And therefore FnK could be a better place because there'd be less Threads like these.

Help clean up FnK! Do your part and try to improve the World.

There's my opinion. Take it, leave it, whatever.

I'll do my part when I go to work and load a Boeing 727 full of Medical Supplies headed for Cuba.

Jake: Sometimes I wish they'd just head off on a co-secant... just once...

[sidekick]

^discussion is important too though, whether it takes place in threads on fnk or editorials in newspapers.

edit: that being said, i'm pretty sick of the ammount of rhetoric surrounding issues about poverty. sometimes i wish people (in government, i mean here) would just stop gabbing about what we should do and go fucking do it. there is only so much we can do on an individual basis, we need our government to pool together to make a larger difference.

[mapleleaf4ever]

But do we really have to discuss all things ineffectual? If People want to have a debate about the lack of adherence to the Kyoto Protocol, I'm all for it. That's something that affects us all.

With regards to Poverty, personally I believe that there is no solution for World Poverty. There will always be the rich and there will always be the poor. The only thing we can do as a Global Community is raise what the level of "poor" is... There's only so much a Government here can do as well. A lot of the regimes in which there are horrible conditions and rampant hunger are corrupt and self-serving. Unless those are replaced by a responsible Government (Communism, Oligarchy, Democracy or whatever; they can all serve their People in their own way... but obviously a Democracy can only be used in a culture that is ready for such a responsibility.) then all we can do is send them Aid to try and make ourselves feel better. It takes two to Tango... it's time the World started taking Lessons.

[C_squared]

Hey how's the weather up your own asses?

The weather is pretty terrible it seems.

[sidekick]

i think 'poor' as an image needs to be reevaluated also. what we consider to be poor, might not be the same thing that poor is to people in other countries. i don't think that we need to make everyone in the world just like canada and the states...that wouldn't work because cultures around the world are so different. basic needs must be met though, which means people need to stop dying of preventable disease and hunger. people need to be paid fare wages. this doesn't mean they need to be paid the same wage that we are paid in canada, because their needs are different and the economy of their country is different. everyone has the right to a good life basically, whatever that definition is to them.

[mapleleaf4ever]

^ Fucking rights Jake! :)

Normal is a relative term. People seem to have a hard time understanding that. Sure that Girl in Cambodia might be making $5 a day, but if she can provide for herself and live (to her) a decent life; what's the problem?