Stand Up!

[gnosis]

Originally Posted by Spoon

"We want the contract work for this and
that, but you industry do the actual work and just give us the profit."

But...that's how the multinational corporations have been playing the Canadian people for Decades!

Frosty
(...Skydome?...)

[Spoon]

Originally Posted by gnosis

But...that's how the multinational corporations have been playing the Canadian people for Decades!

Frosty
(...Skydome?...)

Is that all you got to back up your rant?

[lildonkey]

When i was in highschool there was this native kid who got 5 bucks every day to buy lunch, cause he was in first nations.

Needless to say, i was TEH JEALOUS.

[*SunShyne*]

Originally Posted by lildonkey

When i was in highschool there was this native kid who got 5 bucks every day to buy lunch, cause he was in first nations.

Needless to say, i was TEH JEALOUS.

Wow.

And people say the government isn't playing favourites?

Where was my 5 bucks for lunch? I got PB&J sandwiches and a plastic bottle to refil with water every day. Occasionally, I would get a few bucks from my mom to buy fries.

But by the time I was 15 and was working, my lunches got drastically better... healthier too! I was supporting myself. I wasn't living on my own, but if I wanted something better than PB&J, I worked for it. I never asked for a hand out.

So honestly, unless he was dumb as a brick, there's no excuse why that kid couldn't have gotten a part time job ...

I'm so sick and tired of these wasted hand outs. Fuck... they're not retards, they can work, they certainly know how to reproduce enough thats for damn sure...

There are millions of people who are doing a lot better than their parents were at that age, they're successful... own land, hold great jobs, have heathy lives.

I say we cut off the funding entirely and see if any of them decide to do something productive in their lives and better themselves!

[Vitamin-X]

As one of the resident Wasps' let me just say I couldn't care less.
I'm sure the band will be compensated sooner or later.


When has beating drums and wearing feathers gotten them anywhere?
Just put on a suit. People might actually start taking you seriously.

[Leviathan]

Suits are old, tired and dated.

When was the last time you saw Steve Jobs in a suite? Mark Cuban doesn't even like them.

http://www.blogmaverick.com/2007/01/...y-anyone-does/

Originally Posted by Vitamin-X

As one of the resident Wasps' let me just say I couldn't care less.
I'm sure the band will be compensated sooner or later.


When has beating drums and wearing feathers gotten them anywhere?
Just put on a suit. People might actually start taking you seriously.

[rawb]

ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE MARK CUBAN
INTERNET AUDIO PIONEER AS WELL AS OUTSPOKEN TEAM OWNER MARK CUBAN

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by Leviathan

Suits are old, tired and dated.

When was the last time you saw Steve Jobs in a suite? Mark Cuban doesn't even like them.

http://www.blogmaverick.com/2007/01/...y-anyone-does/

yeah but they're both homo techies.

that shit was played out in 96 son.

[Leviathan]

^ you both win :(

[prozac]

I love suits.

the racism sure wasn't necessary in here, though. why can't we ever seem to have intelligent debates without crossing the lines of decency?

[thebobman]

I read a while back about a band giving up their tax exemption status for a large increase in their reserve lands. IMO that's the only logical way to solve these land-disputes. I'm so tired of hearing both sides bitch and complain about how things were handled in the past, etc, etc, ad infinium. Its the 21st century, its time to get that shit sorted out.

[*SunShyne*]

Originally Posted by thebobman

I read a while back about a band giving up their tax exemption status for a large increase in their reserve lands. IMO that's the only logical way to solve these land-disputes. I'm so tired of hearing both sides bitch and complain about how things were handled in the past, etc, etc, ad infinium. Its the 21st century, its time to get that shit sorted out.

fuckin eh :)

[-evil-duerr-]

^except neither of you two have any real education about this shit except for what your drunken uncle ernie said at the last inbred family bbq.

get learned, or gtfo

[miss.myra]

Originally Posted by *SunShyne*

Canada's government needs to stop giving hand outs to people who haven't shown any comittment to making themselves better people and getting their kids out of whatever hell they're living in.

This includes those who have been on welfare for years now.

I agree with that 3507321C kid.

People are coming in from all over the world and almost in all cases, they are not asking for a hand out, or a hand for that matter. They're stuggling like the rest of families who come here for a better life. They struggle until they achieve happiness, or the closest they can get to it, and not once asking the government for land, for money, for jobs etc.

*Let the "You're an asshole!" "You're ignorant!" "I hate you!" "How would you like it if..." comments begin!*

Stereotypes are awesome.

When you use blanket statements assumung that First Nations people aren't showing any effort to better themselves, are you forgetting about groups like the Nisga'a who have moved towards self-government of their own people and are doing a damn good job of it? Before you say things like that do you even look into the other groups that are trying to move towards self-government of their own people? Do you think there isn't a First Nations person in the country that gives a damn about their own people and the state they are in? Maybe people wouldn't be giving you those replies if you actually thought about it or researched your argument. Saying something so completely ridicilous gets a different response when people actually think you know what you're talking about.

Yes, absolutely, there are lots of First Nations people living below the poverty line that suffer from addiction that seems to pass on from generation to generation, but I really don't see that as an issue that is exclusive to any race, region or even country.

Originally Posted by miss.myra

Stereotypes are awesome.

When you use blanket statements assumung that First Nations people aren't showing any effort to better themselves, are you forgetting about groups like the Nisga'a who have moved towards self-government of their own people and are doing a damn good job of it? Before you say things like that do you even look into the other groups that are trying to move towards self-government of their own people? Do you think there isn't a First Nations person in the country that gives a damn about their own people and the state they are in? Maybe people wouldn't be giving you those replies if you actually thought about it or researched your argument. Saying something so completely ridicilous gets a different response when people actually think you know what you're talking about.

Yes, absolutely, there are lots of First Nations people living below the poverty line that suffer from addiction that seems to pass on from generation to generation, but I really don't see that as an issue that is exclusive to any race, region or even country.

Thank you Myra.

For the record, I am Native/First Nations, pretty sure I don't fit any of the classic stereotypes.

[miss.myra]

ps- hate to ask but did anyone actually read the article? This isn't about 'handouts' at all this is about the government selling hectares of claimed land to a private company for logging in an area that is already logged enough.

[*SunShyne*]

Originally Posted by Avana

Thank you Myra.

For the record, I am Native/First Nations, pretty sure I don't fit any of the classic stereotypes.

You're right.

you also support yourself.

Stereotypes are funny, but there is a HUGE difference between Stereotypes and the truth, anyone can tell you that... though some people fall into the stereotypes (Have you seen the line ups outside KFCs and Churche's Chicken!?) Not everyone is a stereotype. I'm Italian, I talk with my hands all the time, but I have no relation to the mafia, and I wasn't beaten with a wooden spoon as a child.

I wasn't bashing on Natives/First Nations people... If you'll read a few posts up, I comment on how it is unfair that people are treated differently based upon their status (where the hell was my $5/day for lunch!)

I have no problem whatsoever with anyone, black white purple yellow, it's all the same.

But in the eyes of the government, it is much different. Sad really *shrugs*.

[miss.myra]

If you weren't stereotyping then why do say with confidence that First Nations people are doing nothing to better themselves when that isn't even a fact you can back up?

Poor people of every ethnicity get handouts from the government we might see as unfair. Hell old people get handouts from the gov't just because they are old!

Again, did you read the article or just look at the topic and go with your gut reaction? THIS ISN'T ABOUT HANDOUTS.

Basing an opinion on a percentage of the population of a race is hardly indicative of an educated mind.

I think it is funny that you point your finger at these so called "hand outs". 66% of the Native population live in rural, if not, special access areas. Areas that still use things such as Radio Phones for means of communications.

Why are these people uneducated and poor? Because they don't have access to it.

Why does the cycle perpetuate itself? Because most of these people don't know how to break the cycle.

Many of the rural reserves in BC and Alberta don't even speak english as a first language.

Originally Posted by miss.myra

ps- hate to ask but did anyone actually read the article? This isn't about 'handouts' at all this is about the government selling hectares of claimed land to a private company for logging in an area that is already logged enough.

I read the article. I know what it is about. Most of the people here shoot and ask questions later.

[Caps/\L0cK]

There are Three (Basic) Groups of First Nations that i recognize.

There are those who work for a living (Living on a reserve or in a city or a farm, doesnt matter where), do their best for their children.. handle any problems with alchohol, drugs, ect through appropriate means such as rehab. And in general are just like everyone else. They have their own beliefs and practice whatever they wish but are still an active part of society and contribute however they can.

Then there are those who live on the reserves, do not work, and in general make no real effort other then to sit around and talk about the environment, and crap like that.. but often dont do much in the way of helping (whale hunts for example).

Then there are those who are completely lost, on drugs or booze or gas, live off welfare or on the street, and in general are just like any other drug addicted person downtown that refuses to go for rehab.

I am proud and praise the 1st of the three. These are people who do make up a large amount of native peoples and they make their people proud, and are the most effective in getting things done for their people.

The other two i have little or no respect for. There is a labour shortage in BC right now. As far as i am concerned.

If your not working, you shouldn't get the benifits.

Because if your the type that wont work unless you have to, then you should be made to work. No one should get a free ride.

It is understandable there are hard times in which people will be down and out, so long they actively try and recover they have good character.

What im tired of is the bad natives ruining the name of the good natives, and then people talking about both of them like they are on in the same. They are two different peoples with two different ideals.

And personally in my opinion u believe that Native groups should stop complaining. They have gotten more then any other conquered people has ever recieved before. American Natives were driven and haded ou altimadems. And the myans and icans and aztecs were hunted down and killed, their money stolen and all land confiscated. They dont have land anymore.

Going further back vanquished nations during the middle ages received nothing at all. It is the way the earth has worked since man threw the 1st stone at another mans head. Just because you lived here 1st does not make you special. It simply makes you the predesesor. These lessons have been repeated over and over. The natives are the only loser ever to be given rewards. Germany, Russia, England, France, China, Japan.. they have all been forced to pay reperations for loosing a war at one time or another. Not once has a loosing party been awarded shit like no taxes, free education, and easy welfare.

Because of this i have no respect for those natives who do not try. They are freeloaders with no moral characteristics and a corrupt sense of thought.

All the power to those that work. You deserve as much as you have fought for in todays politically correct and morally justified society. Just dont defend your fellow Natives who sit around and do jack all.

(I know about 6 native kids by last name, 3 of which i am friends with. Of those 6, two of them are completely un motovated and have stated that they plan to live of the government. My 3 native friends have no respect for them and think they are jokes.)

PS: If i get flamed for this, your being ridiculous because i have said nothing bad and you are obviously an over defensive snob. Every word i have said is the truth. [ I am pro-working-native ] (And i have as many problems with lazy non-working white people as i do with non working natives { but this is a native thread } )

If you wish to argue a point however i am glad to see why you think i am wrong.

Second PS: Im adressing the handouts issue that was brought up earlier, i dont care what the natives do with some land they get.. they can fuck it up or prosper on it as they please. And whichever they choose determines the kind of people they are.

However i agree with this article.. it is BS but i am more concerned with the lack of environmental responsibility then the land taking crap. Its the lack of care for renewable product use and safe logging practices that truly threatens the area.

I would totally flame you, but your post is such nonsense and without any fact, that the sheer stupidity of it speaks for itself.

[thebobman]

Originally Posted by -evil-duerr-

^except neither of you two have any real education about this shit except for what your drunken uncle ernie said at the last inbred family bbq.

get learned, or gtfo

dude, what the FUCK? did you even READ out what I posted? I said I wanted to see the situation resolved. Christ... A band giving up tax-exemption status as part of a land-claim settlement is completely rational solution to a messy problem. If you're so 'educated about this shit' what's your clever solution? Hrm? Nothing? Then sit the fuck DOWN.

[Caps/\L0cK]

avana i dont know what your talking about really? All i know is you dint dent me too much... and everything i said was historically based?

Not statistics like how many trees they are going to have cut down or some shit... so your speaking crazy to me. Because all those historical facts are true.. unless you consider the treaty of versailes, and the peace treaty of surrender signed by the japanese not to be treaties in which the loosers were charged something... actually real

[tiedye]

So many disgusting remarks in this thread. Seriously, anyone who says they aren't in the right is talking out their ass. These are people that were removed from their homes and oppressed so European settlers could expand their rule over the known world. It was an early proverbial space race with only conquest in mind. Any of you that say Native Americans deserve this because they don't even look after themselves, think about how much damage our society has done to them through generations of abuse.

I'm speaking for both sides here as both sides are in my blood.