Stand Up!

[Senior]

sorry spoon you completely missed my sarcasm. Fable (babble) has a consistent habit of making these long winded off topic posts. Anyway...

[fable]

Originally Posted by Senior

sorry spoon you completely missed my sarcasm. Fable (babble) has a consistent habit of making these long winded off topic posts. Anyway...

Links to articles written by one of the most active young Indigenous activists in this province, and a suggestion to put things into a larger context that revolves around systemic oppression and economic interest of the Canadian government = long winded + off topic?

Stick to calling me a commie and your reactionary ideas about African nations.

[thebobman]

Okay! EVERYBODY FREEZE!
Nice and easy now.... step away from your copy and paste buttons and close the propaganda webpages... everybody be cool... no.....sudden....movements...

[Vitamin-X]

Originally Posted by fable

Links to articles written by one of the most active young Indigenous activists in this province, and a suggestion to put things into a larger context that revolves around systemic oppression and economic interest of the Canadian government = long winded + off topic?

Stick to calling me a commie and your reactionary ideas about African nations.

One of the only people I know of that can make a paragraph feel like an eternity.

[fable]

Originally Posted by Vitamin-X

One of the only people I know of that can make a paragraph feel like an eternity.

Whereas your trifling wit is the condensed measure of objective conditions and human struggle?

Ill leave the empty political one liners for you and John Stewart.

[thebobman]

Originally Posted by fable

Whereas your trifling wit is the condensed measure of objective conditions and human struggle?

Ill leave the empty political one liners for you and John Stewart.

You're really gonna leave Bill O'Reilly outta that list?

[Senior]

Originally Posted by fable

Links to articles written by one of the most active young Indigenous activists in this province, and a suggestion to put things into a larger context that revolves around systemic oppression and economic interest of the Canadian government = long winded + off topic?

Stick to calling me a commie and your reactionary ideas about African nations.

so far you're a communist that supports genocide. do you really wonder why I think you're such an idiot?

[Senior]

Originally Posted by fable

Links to articles written by one of the most active young Indigenous activists in this province, and a suggestion to put things into a larger context that revolves around systemic oppression and economic interest of the Canadian government = long winded + off topic?

Stick to calling me a commie and your reactionary ideas about African nations.

and do you really want me to start digging up long winded off topic posts?

[*SunShyne*]

I'm curious as to what Senior's thoughts on Africa are....

[fable]

Originally Posted by Senior

so far you're a communist that supports genocide. do you really wonder why I think you're such an idiot?

Not supporting military intervention in the shape of 20, 000 UN troops in Darfur = supporting Genocide?

Explain yourself

[fable]

Originally Posted by Senior

and do you really want me to start digging up long winded off topic posts?

Forget past posts for now, first explain to me and everyone else for that matter the basis for why you think my initial post in THIS thread is off topic?

[esoter1c]

Originally Posted by prozac

^im pretty sure he was "taking the piss".

In a world full of blonde brunettes only the redhead gets me. :330:

[Senior]

Originally Posted by fable

Not supporting military intervention in the shape of 20, 000 UN troops in Darfur = supporting Genocide?

Explain yourself

Look if anything I think a much larger force should be going into Darfur. It's basic common sense, something you lack.

You have this quaint idea that leaving people to their own devices is the best option in all cases. If you really think this is even remotely true than I'd suggest you read up on the Irish potato famine. I forget the specifics but the gist of it was this. To aid the Irish during the potato famine the British government supplied them with corn. During the famine a new government was elected that was one of the first to employ a sort of laissez-faire economic strategy. It was said by this new government that by giving the Irish corn they were interfering with the market place and in effect prolonging the famine. All they had to do was stop the corn shipments and someone would find a profitable way to solve the problem. Instead hundreds of thousands of people starved to death (500,000-1,000,000).

The point being that leaving people to their own devices isn't always the best thing to do. Maybe in your opinion we shouldn't have interfered with Germany during the Second World War. Would the Jews have been better off if we had allowed them to have self determination? Maybe the Fur, Zaghawa, and Massaleit people would be happier if we had done nothing and allowed them to be systematically killed?

In your defense though if you are getting your ass kicked by cops at your next protest I'll be sure to hold people back from helping you. I'll look at them and say "he wants self determination, let him deal with it."

[Senior]

Originally Posted by fable

Not supporting military intervention in the shape of 20, 000 UN troops in Darfur = supporting Genocide?

Explain yourself

so you admit to being a communist?

[fable]

_Why cannot people be allowed to fight their own struggles?

_When you talk about helping the people of Africa, is it you are I, or people in similar layers of society going there to help them under the pretense of humanitarian assistance?

_What is the United Nations? Is it a mechanism of sustaining economic disparity? Does the UN have a history of being used by the very same Imperialist countries that cry out for humanitarian aid to be sent to third world countries?

_When has a UN military mission ever been successful?

_What does Rwanda in 94' say about the UN, France and the US? Was Rwanda rich in resources like Sudan or as a strategic location as Somalia?

_What does the independence of the Congo, Somalia, South African, and Algeria say about African people and their resolve, toughness, resiliency, hope and pride?

_What role does colonialism play in the current state of African society?

_What are France's the US's and Chinas economic interests and current investments in Africa?

_Why did the US support, fund and outfit the SLA, JEM and Janjaweed militias?

_What has the "end to sectarian violence, humanitarian assistance, creation of democracy" brought to Iraq, Afghanistan or Haiti?

_Are attacks on oppressed and marginalized layers of society decreasing or increasing in France, Canada or the US?

_Does the current national administrations of France, the US or Canada truly represent the layers of society that would come closest to resembling those of Africa?

You’ve proved time and time again you can argue with abstract accounts of history but what I care about is can you discuss matters in the context of the material base of military intervention of Imperialist countries? Or will it be naivety as usual?

[fable]

Originally Posted by Senior

so you admit to being a communist?

More shucking and jiving, and diverting from the current issue.

[prozac]

Originally Posted by 3507321C

In a world full of blonde brunettes only the redhead gets me. :330:

:087:

[SmokeOne]

I like guns, cannons, missles, and bombs..god gave us the tools to use em so we should use em.
But turning into a militant with the indians is not a good idea you will loose the fight. So there is no point.
They sold us the land in exchange for food wiskey and other goods..why should we give it back it was their fault for giving up in the first place. They should have realized it was a bad idea back then..but then again mabe they were too drunk on the wiskey..then mabe they can claim they were under the influence..and get it back that way.
As for the logging companys yes they are cutting too many trees..but it would be great if they logged all the pine betle contaminated trees. thoes damn bugs are going to be the ultimate distruction of our forest. if we dont kill them

[fable]

an I'd suggest you read up on the Irish potato famine. I forget the specifics but the gist of it was this. To aid the Irish during the potato famine the British government supplied them with corn. During the famine a new government was elected that was one of the first to employ a sort of laissez-faire economic strategy. It was said by this new government that by giving the Irish corn they were interfering with the market place and in effect prolonging the famine. All they had to do was stop the corn shipments and someone would find a profitable way to solve the problem. Instead hundreds of thousands of people starved to death (500,000-1,000,000).

Senior Id suggest you RE-READ about this.

[Vitamin-X]

Originally Posted by SmokeOne

I like guns, cannons, missles, and bombs..god gave us the tools to use em so we should use em.
But turning into a militant with the indians is not a good idea you will loose the fight. So there is no point.
They sold us the land in exchange for food wiskey and other goods..why should we give it back it was their fault for giving up in the first place. They should have realized it was a bad idea back then..but then again mabe they were too drunk on the wiskey..then mabe they can claim they were under the influence..and get it back that way.
As for the logging companys yes they are cutting too many trees..but it would be great if they logged all the pine betle contaminated trees. thoes damn bugs are going to be the ultimate distruction of our forest. if we dont kill them

As I understand it, the natives at the time believed that nobody could actually own land. They believed it belonged to the tree spirts or something along those lines. So my question is: Did they sell us the land and take our beads and whisky under false pretenses?

[fable]

Originally Posted by SmokeOne

I like guns, cannons, missles, and bombs..god gave us the tools to use em so we should use em.

Did god create capitalism too?

But turning into a militant with the indians is not a good idea you will loose the fight. So there is no point.

Who's attacking Indigenous peoples - regular people like you or the government and industry that want their land?

They sold us the land in exchange for food wiskey and other goods..

That is a lie

why should we give it back it was their fault for giving up in the first place. They should have realized it was a bad idea back then..but then again mabe they were too drunk on the wiskey..then mabe they can claim they were under the influence..and get it back that way.

Have you ever spoken this out loud in the company of other people?

[Leviathan]

wtf?

Are you going to start ranting about the earth only being 15000 years old and that evolution doesn't exist next?

I like guns, cannons, missles, and bombs..god gave us the tools to use em so we should use em.

[Vitamin-X]

Originally Posted by fable

That is a lie

So they didn't sell us any land.
hmm, I am pretty sure there are a few documents in a museum somewhere
that might disagree.

[fable]

Originally Posted by Vitamin-X

So they didn't sell us any land.
hmm, I am pretty sure there are a few documents in a museum somewhere
that might disagree.

Who's "us?"

What amount of land was sold for "whiskey" and under what pretence was it sold?

There are over 14 treaties that have all been broken on the part of the Canadian government at some point in history many of which are at the source of current land claim struggle today - of these how many involve land that was purchased by fucking whiskey?

The course of Canadian history involves the massacre of anywhere between 5 - 10 million aboriginal peoples (more than the slaughter of innocent jewish peoples) + residential schools, systemic racism and overall colonialism - so the most glaring question is:

during this era of immense oppression and brutality, what are the fucking chances that Indigenous people were dealt with fairly when it came to rumoured sale of land?

Keep your bullshit documents, they are as racist and exploitative as the era they were created it.

[SmokeOne]

actually im not racist at all i have quite a few native canadian(indian) friends and they actually say the same thing..they blame them selves for how they are portrayed. I love my buddys and id fight for them for anything..but when they are saying what i am sayin it makes you think..

Mabe you are fighting the wrong battle...Mabe really figure out what you are actually fighting for.