31 Dead in Virginia Tech Shooting

[galaxie]

^ ahh the comma?

[rawb]

Originally Posted by anewlife

Explain the difference, mr. smartass...I'm waiting! ;)

THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT THEYRE IN FUCKING MOON LANGUAGE THAT NO ONE CARES ABOUT

[anewlife]

Originally Posted by rawb

THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT THEYRE IN FUCKING MOON LANGUAGE THAT NO ONE CARES ABOUT

Yeah, just like you're a fucking retard that no one cares about either.

[anewlife]

Originally Posted by galaxie

^ ahh the comma?

Bingo!

[rawb]

Originally Posted by anewlife

Yeah, just like you're a fucking retard that no one cares about either.

HAHA A RETARD SPEAKS BETTER ENGLISH THAN YOU

[anewlife]

Indeed, way to go.

Like it or not, but I won't stop participating on this board just because of dipshits like you whose horizon ends at the door of their rooms.

I'm fine with my English, you're not. Your problem, not mine.

Erm, so you just edited and softened your above post rawb?

Got overconfident for a second buddy, eh? Hahaha...you're a joke man.

[esoter1c]

What Exactly Was Cho Seung-Hui On?

The Times reported that Cho Seung-Hui was taking a psychoactive drug, most likely an antidepressant. No doubt antidepressants save lives, but they also cause side effects. Psychiatrists know they trigger mania, exacerbate delusional thinking, and agitate suicidal tendencies. For obvious reasons, it's kinda hard to run clinical trials on the link between antidepressants and shootings. But there is a link, and I'm certainly not the first to notice it. The wife of comedian Phil Hartman was on Zoloft when she killed him and herself. Most notoriously, Eric Harris of Columbine was on Luvox. For more common violent crimes, antidepressant manufacturers actually teamed up with district attorneys to make sure the Zoloft defense didn't fly. As Rob Waters reported:

In the early 1990s, Eli Lilly, the maker of Prozac, started the practice of aiding district attorneys who were prosecuting defendants who blamed the drug for their acts of violence. Lawyers for Pfizer, the world’s largest pharmaceutical company, later created a “prosecutor’s manual” for the same purpose. The Zoloft manual itself is a closely held secret -- and Pfizer has fought hard to keep it that way.
In 2001, a widow sued Pfizer because her husband shot and killed himself after six days on Zoloft. Her lawyers discovered in Pfizer’s records a reference to a document called “prosecutor’s manual,” and requested a copy.
Pfizer fought the request, claiming it was privileged information between the company and its attorneys. The judge allowed the manual to be introduced -- noting it was designed to prevent “harm to Pfizer’s reputation” if a defendant successfully raised “a Zoloft causation defense” -- but he agreed to thereafter seal the manual and keep it out of the public record.
James Hooper, an attorney for Pfizer, says that “in rare cases” the company’s attorneys have provided the manual to prosecutors if a defendant “is attempting to blame some sort of criminal behavior on the medicine."

FDA Antidepressant Suicide Warning



*Imagine my shock.

[se7en]

did u guys see the interview with his roommates. wow, cho was really strange.

[anewlife]

Nope, but dude, had my roommate shot 33 peeps and with all the media knocking down your door, I would be strange as well.

[rawb]

Originally Posted by anewlife

Indeed, way to go.

Like it or not, but I won't stop participating on this board just because of dipshits like you whose horizon ends at the door of their rooms.

I'm fine with my English, you're not. Your problem, not mine.

Erm, so you just edited and softened your above post rawb?

Got overconfident for a second buddy, eh? Hahaha...you're a joke man.

TOO LATE, STILL NO FRIENDS : D

[matéo]

I'm pretty sure video games just make gamers play more video games. I know when I play gears of war I just want to play forever! And even if I wanted to go on a real live killing spree, it would be to kill some man eating locusts not a bunch of my classmates. Its too bad the locusts aren't around yet.

[tiedye]

Guys... I might just be a horrible person after all. I've read about so many school shootings in the states now that I just don't give a shit anymore.

[Vitamin-X]

Originally Posted by rawb

THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT THEYRE IN FUCKING MOON LANGUAGE THAT NO ONE CARES ABOUT

A few altered decisions during the war and that might be your language too. You could probably be a smart-ass in it too.

[rawb]

YA PROBABLY, I AM PRETTY GOOD AT BEING AWESOME

[lildonkey]

Leave it to fnk to turn a thread about a school massacre into an english 101 class...

[kiMMie]

^^ Agreed. :notrust:

Do you think that the law enforcement should have taken more abrupt action and evacuated the entire school (especially with the history of Columbine, etc.) instead of leaving classes open in other halls?

Do you think that a student with history of violence, suicide and mental instability be allowed to attend educational institutions unmonitored?

Discuss.

[Vitamin-X]

Hard to say. These are definitely loaded questions.

Cops could have done more, but there just seems to be a real
disjointed setup between law enforcement and schools/Institutions.

It seems impossible to real prevent or deal with a suicide attacker
(that's really what these people are) unless you just happen to get lucky; like in Quebec with that vampire-freak guy.
Only one death where there could have been dozens.

[esoter1c]

Originally Posted by kiMMie

^^ Agreed. :notrust:

Do you think that the law enforcement should have taken more abrupt action and evacuated the entire school (especially with the history of Columbine, etc.) instead of leaving classes open in other halls?

Do you think that a student with history of violence, suicide and mental instability be allowed to attend educational institutions unmonitored?

Discuss.

Seeing as how they had no idea where he was after the first shooting, yeah, I'd say that's a no brainer.

[lildonkey]

Originally Posted by kiMMie

^^ Agreed. :notrust:

Do you think that the law enforcement should have taken more abrupt action and evacuated the entire school (especially with the history of Columbine, etc.) instead of leaving classes open in other halls?

Do you think that a student with history of violence, suicide and mental instability be allowed to attend educational institutions unmonitored?

Discuss.

To your first question: No... because there was no way to tell that there was a risk of the school massacre that ensued... that would be like the cops shutting down the entire granville everytime there is a shooting etc... unless they have reason to believe otherwise, most people leave the scene of a shooting afterwards

to your second question: With depression and social problems being so common nowadays, i think that it would be unrealistic to monitor every person like that in real time... and i don't think the police/school have the manpower to be able to know where every person like that is at any given time.. even if they had removed him from the school, that would probably motivate him even more to do what he did.... when guns are so easily accessable in the states, stuff like this is bound to happen and it's near impossible to prevent.. unless of course they create a huge budget for hardcore security measures for every educational institute.... which i don't see happening.

[C_squared]

Originally Posted by lildonkey

To your first question: No... because there was no way to tell that there was a risk of the school massacre that ensued... that would be like the cops shutting down the entire granville everytime there is a shooting etc... unless they have reason to believe otherwise, most people leave the scene of a shooting afterwards

to your second question: With depression and social problems being so common nowadays, i think that it would be unrealistic to monitor every person like that in real time... and i don't think the police/school have the manpower to be able to know where every person like that is at any given time.. even if they had removed him from the school, that would probably motivate him even more to do what he did.... when guns are so easily accessable in the states, stuff like this is bound to happen and it's near impossible to prevent.. unless of course they create a huge budget for hardcore security measures for every educational institute.... which i don't see happening.

well said.

even tho there were warning signs that this guy was a completely nuts, those erie anti-social traits is not enough reason to monitor someone.

hearing more and more about this korean guy makes me cringe. its sad.

[PwInCeSs]

Yes i think more should have been done after the first shooting.
With all these things in Schools especially since columbine, 2 people getting killed should be enough to send out some sort of red alert. More then just an email, and more then telling kids to "proceed with caution"

[esoter1c]

If I'm in superstore and someone gets stabbed to death in aisle 3 when I'm in aisle 12, tell me, thx, much apprec.

[kiMMie]

Originally Posted by lildonkey

To your first question: No... because there was no way to tell that there was a risk of the school massacre that ensued... that would be like the cops shutting down the entire granville everytime there is a shooting etc... unless they have reason to believe otherwise, most people leave the scene of a shooting afterwards

to your second question: With depression and social problems being so common nowadays, i think that it would be unrealistic to monitor every person like that in real time... and i don't think the police/school have the manpower to be able to know where every person like that is at any given time.. even if they had removed him from the school, that would probably motivate him even more to do what he did.... when guns are so easily accessable in the states, stuff like this is bound to happen and it's near impossible to prevent.. unless of course they create a huge budget for hardcore security measures for every educational institute.... which i don't see happening.

Some great valid points lildonkey.

As the story grows, there are new developments that affect question #2:

*Being kicked out of a poetry class for his continuous "threatening" behavior. Instructor writes a letter to the Department Head explaining student's behavior and requesting immediate removal from classroom.
*Local police department aware of harassment and suicidal behaviors (filed).
*Spending 2 nights in a mental health facility for monitoring in 2005 for irratic behavior

Is there a way that this could have been prevented?

I believe that with three main institutions (school, police department, and mental health facility) whom all had altercations and visible indicators of his tendency for "abnormal" behavior that should have "red-flagged" Cho. I'm not stating that this could have been prevented, but more action could have been taken.

[starbright]

The VA Tech gunman is in HELL!

[galaxie]

Originally Posted by PwInCeSs

Yes i think more should have been done after the first shooting.
With all these things in Schools especially since columbine, 2 people getting killed should be enough to send out some sort of red alert. More then just an email, and more then telling kids to "proceed with caution"

The VT campus is HUGE. 2600 acres. It's not like evacuating a high school - campus consists of dorms, apartments, classrooms, businesses, etc. That's like saying if there's a shooting in someone's home and the whereabouts of the killer is unknown the entire neighbourhood should be evacuated and surrounding businesses should be shut down.

It's unfortunate, but they did what they could with the information they had. The university didn't have any reason to suspect that it was not an isolated incident. Also, they believed that the shooter was still in the residence hall that the first shooting occured in.