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May 22, 07
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Edwards proposes U.S. mandatory Service
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Personally, I'm all for mandatory service here in Canada. As for the United States I don't see this making it past the Senate. Thoughts and comments? 
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May 22, 07
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well my knee jerk reaction is to oppose manditory service. for starters I would refuse to participate so that would pose a problem. on the other side of things though I think you would see a massive opposition to things like the invasion/occupation of Iraq. as it is now people oppose these things in principle but are less vocal if they can keep their hands clean.
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May 22, 07
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I cant say I support mandatory service as it takes away from a persons right to do as they please (within reason of course)
Personally, I serve this country by giving the government close to 25% of my annual earnings, which would work out to approximately 3 months of service. Not that I'm bitter or selfish, but in exchange, I get access to horrible basic health care that I hardly use, and help fund a bunch of programs that don't directly apply to me anyways. However, I would support a draft should another world war erupt. Last edited by DefJef; May 22, 07 at 04:54 PM.
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May 22, 07
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Its a touchy subject.
People do not want to be told what to do. More so when it comes to things that can risk their life. Would I support Mandatory Service? I guess it depends if it would be necessary or not. If our way of life as we know it was under attack and if we needed to fight to protect ourselves as a greater whole, then yes, in a need as that (such as another great war or something to that extent) then I would support mandatory server. In that case, it would be we either fight or die. However, with the war in Iraq as a basis for this, then no. I would not think mandatory service should become a factor.
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May 22, 07
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May 22, 07
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May 22, 07
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Also, take a look at some other countries. There are a few countries out there that already have a mandatory service. How well are they doing?
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May 22, 07
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I support mandatory service because of the benefits it would offer to people just out of High School.
Not only does it promote nationalism which would help with uniting Canada; but it would also help develop the basic traits of leadership, respect and physical fitness. One year of mandatory service in the Canadian Forces would not be a bad thing for many of the People that live here. There's many countries in Europe that have mandatory service and it's done them well. I don't see this flying in the US because of their current military obligations and how the popularity of said deployments is at an all-time low I doubt anyone would show up. That and our population would swell a la Vietnam dodgers. lol THE GULF ISLANDS DON'T NEED ANY MORE PEACENIK HIPPIES!!! If there were different world circumstances with American power I could see it working. But not anytime soon. But for Canada, i'd vote for it.
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May 22, 07
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I don't get how someone could support being forced by their gov't to provide a years worth of service to the armed forces. I would so vehemently oppose this it's not even funny.
I live in a nation with certain rights and freedoms and if I was forced to join the forces I'd feel as if I was denied my right to choose what I wanted to do with myself. Either way I don't ever see this flying in our country so it's not like I have to worry about it.
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May 22, 07
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May 22, 07
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May 22, 07
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Yeah you get excellent medical coverage, but at the expense of your employer or yourself through split costs for extended health. You wont think as highly when you're sitting in a waiting room all day, or you have to wait a year for an operation you need. Don't think for a second that I dont agree with Canada being one of the greatest countries in the world to live in; I think unless there is a dire need for me to serve in the military, the 3 months of labor a year I give them to pay my taxes which fund such things should be good enough. I bet 3 months is more time than you have to put in to be on the reserves anyways. Part of what I enjoy about the quality of life this country has to offer is that we aren't forced to do things like join the military.
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May 22, 07
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 Their plans were fulfilled a loooooooooooooong time ago. Now get back in your cell.......I mean house........ 
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May 23, 07
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You will notice that post secondary education is accessible to everyone. We have BCSAP, CSAP etc Sure, it'd be nice if it was more affordable but we all know that's not going to happen. The cost of that will always rise as the Teachers wages rise and the cost of supplies etc. In the end it wouldn't be a bad thing for Canada. Will it happen? Probably not since there's enough People in our lovely nation that hang out on the left side of things.
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May 23, 07
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Is it just me or does this become a hot media topic every six months in the USA? Like, hey our leader is a prick but it could be worse! Every six months some prick politician has to say it's a good idea and calls for it, it makes the front cover of one paper and CNN.com is still reporting another heart warming story about kids in Iraq. Every six months it's the same debate with the same questions and points on both sides. The problem? The dichotomy of politics in the United States is so extreme it never goes anywhere.
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May 23, 07
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I skimed through, and decided just to leave my opinion.
I think mandatory service should only ever be nessesary when your nation is engaged in a widly accepted conflict that is putting massive drain on ones forces. So basically another world war, or a massive conflict invloving 3 or more countries of operation. (kind of like what the USA is doing now) But only if the rest of the world supported your countries actions.
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May 23, 07
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I think it's absolutely ridiculous.
It completely takes away from peoples' right to CHOOSE what they do with their lives. I'm sorry, but there is no fucking way that I would ever join the armed forces. Especially now that Canadian troops are no longer just peace keepers.
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May 23, 07
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It would serve much to the same effect (save basic training...I think there is enough impulse driven violence in our society already thanks), and probably be a lot more fun, if all the finances put into armed conflict in a suggested draft were to go into a really big Canada day parade.
To me having a draft is the clearest sign that you're living in an enslaved society...like seriously the only thing missing is chained cuffs around your neck.
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May 23, 07
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@ galaxie
I couldnt decide wether to give you bad or good karma. I totally agreed with the 1st part of your statement. But i think your second statement about the nature of Canadian forces in Afghanistan is ridiculous. We are there as peacekeepers. We were brought in by bad american ideas, but we are currently engaged in the safe keeping and reconstruction of the afghan people. We have a favourable public support from those who we have been working with for a while, and are currently working on brining choice to the people in the country side. Sure, you might say we are forcing them to be democratic, but if you new much about afghanistan you would know that it is one of the most unstable nations on the planet, its problems date back before the 1st world war. Change in governments was common and the people have been kept in the stone age. Currently Canada is trying to help secure the democratic government for those who want it, from those forces outside of allied operation who are wishing to opress the people into hardcore fundamentalism. In a democratic society people can choose to be fundamental. A perfect exmaple is the amish in north america. I in no way condone americas actions in Iraq, but i do agree 100% with afghanistan. I think it was being ruled by an oppresive and illigitimate government who was in no way cooperative with the rest of the world, and was brought to power through conflict, just like the 100s of afghan governments before it. Considering we are not being forcefully kicked out of khandahar and only recieve the odd terrorist attack from rouge extremists, i think our position no way parralels that of the invading american forces who destabalized a somehwat stable arab / muslim state and have sent the nation into a civil war which was kept under control and rapped up by sadam. I would please ask you not to show such disrespect to our armed forces by calling them something they are not. Canada is a respectful nation and we have a good history of staying as a neutral or peacefully aimed nation throughout history. And i think that we continue with this to this day.
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May 23, 07
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The days of traditional peacekeeping, where there is a red line with 2 warring factions between it, and we are there in the middle trying to keep the peace, is over. You think we should be in Afghanistan? Under what pretext? It's publically a part of the Canadian armed forces agenda not to destroy poppy feilds in Afghanistan, home of 80% of the world's heroin. Hmmm. This is not to say the previous governments there weren't corrupted as well, but c'mon man who are you kidding.
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May 23, 07
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I believe the United Nations (Canada being a member) should take an active role in areas like Afghanistan, Sudan, Bosnia, Rwanda etc In this world we should make every effort to be united as a people, solving the worlds problems togethor. Not just leaving them to fend for themselves as what happened in Rwanda. What I don't agree with, is that the US took less of a role on Afghanistan and went towards Iraq.
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