Paul Callow

[robyn]

so besides murder what's everyones awesome solution to this

[Webber]

^we need to make sure that no one tries to steal the north poll, this guy seems like a good person for that job

is that a survey that they do up north?

[esoter1c]

Originally Posted by robyn

so besides murder what's everyones awesome solution to this

Executing a diddler/rapist/murderer isn't murder.

Originally Posted by esoter1c

Executing a diddler/rapist/murderer isn't murder.

does his family, who is trying to be as supportive as they can, because their love is unconditional for him, deserve what the community is putting them through?

[robyn]

you're a lot of talk, number person!

[esoter1c]

Originally Posted by Avana

does his family, who is trying to be as supportive as they can, because their love is unconditional for him, deserve what the community is putting them through?

If they want a rapist pos for a family member, yes they do.

Seriously WTF !?

HE IS A FUCKING RAPIST !

If my lil' bro raped he would no longer be my lil' bro'.

He would be dead to me.

[esoter1c]

Originally Posted by robyn

you're a lot of talk, number person!

I'm also alot of action you have no clue about.

When I was 19 my friends gf was kidnapped/held hostage and raped.

She called us from inside the apt and told us where she was.

We kicked down the door and beat those fux within inches of their lives and prob should have killed them.

When some pedo was at my friends lil sisters high school taking pictures of all the lil girls and was a known pedo and had his address printed in the paper, we went to his place, no one else did shit when we got there.

So don't think you know me from a chat forum.

I don't just talk.

how is that stopping the violence?

[esoter1c]

Originally Posted by Avana

how is that stopping the violence?

I guess I should have paid for their counseling and treatment and rehabilitation so they could reintegrate back into society.

So they could re-offend as over 90% do.

Why do I feel like I'm being trolled here.

There's no way you're actually siding with rapists and pedophiles here.

[Gunter S]

Originally Posted by esoter1c

I'm also alot of action you have no clue about.

When I was 19 my friends gf was kidnapped/held hostage and raped.

She called us from inside the apt and told us where she was.

We kicked down the door and beat those fux within inches of their lives and prob should have killed them.

When some pedo was at my friends lil sisters high school taking pictures of all the lil girls and was a known pedo and had his address printed in the paper, we went to his place, no one else did shit when we got there.

So don't think you know me from a chat forum.

I don't just talk.

i call bullshit

[esoter1c]

Originally Posted by Gunter S

i call bullshit

You just go back to rubbin 'em out to the Hiltons there Goober.

violence is a learned behavior, as was callow's behavior. why perpetuate that cycle?

how do you know your method is more effective then counselling/jail? how do you know these same people haven't reoffended?

[Gunter S]

Originally Posted by esoter1c

You just go back to rubbin 'em out to the Hiltons there Goober.

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[esoter1c]

Originally Posted by Avana

1)violence is a learned behavior, as was callow's behavior. why perpetuate that cycle?

2)how do you know your method is more effective then counselling/jail? 3)how do you know these same people haven't reoffended?

1)Rape is not "learned behavior".
2)Because they would be dead, 100% success rate.
3)Because I read the newspapers like an old man that hates kids on his lawn, except I hate pedos/rapists on my block.

Seriously Avana quit being blinded by the light.

[esoter1c]

Originally Posted by Gunter S

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I see you know my steez.:P

[esoter1c]

Originally Posted by Avana

dude - i was totally going to get mad at you for this.

but i am now starting to wonder if i am not off base on this. :(

Trust.

[se7en]

heres some letters from people living in surrey, from their point of view.
interesting to read. got them from the local paper.



I am a concerned single mom of three who lives in the Fraser Heights area. I chose not to attend the meeting this past Monday night, as it turned out “crazy” as I had anticipated.

I am not marginalizing anybody’s concerns or the potential danger to our children. However, I think we all need to stay calm and collected and make rational decisions based on all the facts. We need to keep things in perspective without losing our cool.

Yes, we need to be smart in regards to protecting ourselves and our children. But let’s not panic. I believe very strongly that we should not live in fear.

I feel bad that people are going crazy, to the extent of berating the wrong guy at Tim Hortons. When someone has served their time, do they not have the right to try and make a new life? Or do we all play judge and jury and go back to the days of stoning people to death?

We as the general public do not have the right to threaten and harass others. I have some compassion for Paul Callow and his sister Karen and her two kids. Does the sister and her kids deserve to be treated like criminals? No, they do not.

I am not saying ignore the problem and pretend the risk does not exist. But we must abide by the law or make changes to that law.

If Callow is trying to make a new life – good. I want to send my apologies to Paul Callow, Karen and her children for the treatment from my community. They deserve the kind of respect that we teach our children to extend to all living creatures.

Are we that far gone that we can’t extend a bit of compassion and hope that there is something we all can do to make our community safer without acting like criminals ourselves?


letter 2

I am a student within the close-knit community to which Toronto’s infamous Balcony Rapist has moved.

The reactions to Callow’s relocation to Fraser Heights are blatantly hostile, as was shown in the town meeting on June 4.

The meeting was attended by the RCMP, town representatives and a gymnasium full of residents seeking answers and solutions. At this meeting, the RCMP stated that there wasn’t much they could do, as Callow has served 20 years and is free to live wherever he may choose. The meeting was, in many of my peers’ eyes, an utter waste of words. There were only hateful words and misguided hostility towards the RCMP.

The next day, my class had a heated discussion about the issue and it seems that brought more progress.

One classmate stated, “As young women, we are told that you don’t walk at night alone, and you make sure everything is locked. This is merely a reassurance that the precautions I take are not pointless.”

Another student pointed out that “Callow is a threat we know, a rapist whose picture we’ve all seen, but what about the others that are in Surrey that we don’t know?” (this is so true. there r others in surrey also, but without the media warning. what about them)

The general consensus was that no one really wants him in the neighbourhood, but rather than generating ideas to remove him, we considered solutions. Why not try to think of ways to help this man? I personally think that he is sick, and I’m not fond of having him in the area. But kicking him out of the community may only cause him to re-offend, to go back to prison just to have a place to be.

If we instead look at making counselling a requirement for his living amongst our community, or some other method of integrating him into society to lessen the likelihood of his reoffending would be more productive than any petition to remove him from the area.

This man needs a place to live, to exercise his rights as a human. That place might be Fraser Heights or it might be far away, but it makes more sense for that place to be in society, rather than in prison because he raped someone else to get away from the stares and anti-Callow rallies.

It’s time to look past our fear and outrage, and start looking for solutions to help this man and protect ourselves.

Trish Sissons

Surrey

[*SunShyne*]

Originally Posted by Avana

dude - i was totally going to get mad at you for this.

but i am now starting to wonder if i am not off base on this. :(

I knew you'd come around one day... they always do.

~

But yeah, he's been in jail 20 years. He served his time. He knows he's done wrong. He is just as scared of us (the general public) as we are of him.

Give him a chance. If he fucks it up, he goes back. but so far, in the past few months he's been out, he hasn't done a damn thing wrong.

[robyn]

i don't agree with out of control vigilante justice so i totally must love rapists

[Gunter S]

[ebbomega]

One of the things though that is involved with your penance as a convicted sex offender is that YOU ARE LABELLED A SEX OFFENDER FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE, hence you have to tell your neighbors, employers, etc. that you are a convicted sex offender.

Just because he's served his time doesn't mean that his sentence is over.

Is everybody overreacting? Oh hell yeah. It's not like it's the first time a convicted sex offender has been reintegrated into society, and in reality the backlash coming from his return will simply alienate him from society further and IMO would increase the odds of a relapse. So it kinda strikes me as a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy. Namely, if you treat an ex-con like an ex-con, they're likely to continue their illegal behaviour.

Originally Posted by se7en

letter 2

I am a student within the close-knit community to which Toronto’s infamous Balcony Rapist has moved.

The reactions to Callow’s relocation to Fraser Heights are blatantly hostile, as was shown in the town meeting on June 4.

The meeting was attended by the RCMP, town representatives and a gymnasium full of residents seeking answers and solutions. At this meeting, the RCMP stated that there wasn’t much they could do, as Callow has served 20 years and is free to live wherever he may choose. The meeting was, in many of my peers’ eyes, an utter waste of words. There were only hateful words and misguided hostility towards the RCMP.

The next day, my class had a heated discussion about the issue and it seems that brought more progress.

One classmate stated, “As young women, we are told that you don’t walk at night alone, and you make sure everything is locked. This is merely a reassurance that the precautions I take are not pointless.”

Another student pointed out that “Callow is a threat we know, a rapist whose picture we’ve all seen, but what about the others that are in Surrey that we don’t know?” (this is so true. there r others in surrey also, but without the media warning. what about them)

The general consensus was that no one really wants him in the neighbourhood, but rather than generating ideas to remove him, we considered solutions. Why not try to think of ways to help this man? I personally think that he is sick, and I’m not fond of having him in the area. But kicking him out of the community may only cause him to re-offend, to go back to prison just to have a place to be.

If we instead look at making counselling a requirement for his living amongst our community, or some other method of integrating him into society to lessen the likelihood of his reoffending would be more productive than any petition to remove him from the area.

This man needs a place to live, to exercise his rights as a human. That place might be Fraser Heights or it might be far away, but it makes more sense for that place to be in society, rather than in prison because he raped someone else to get away from the stares and anti-Callow rallies.

It’s time to look past our fear and outrage, and start looking for solutions to help this man and protect ourselves.

Trish Sissons

Surrey

from the mouth of babes....

the people in her community should take a lesson from her.

[matéo]

I bet this is what the developers were thinking when they thought up the idea of surrey's executive home neighborhood. First grow ups, now Pedos.