vegetarians that eat fish

[kir mokum]

Originally Posted by galaxie

Being a moral vegetarian, nothing pisses me off more than "oh, the potato salad has bacon in it, but you can just eat around it, right?" NO. The answer is no.

the correct answer is actually "you can do whatever the fuck you want". evangelical moral vegetarians need a good punchasizing. especially if i'm about to eat.

[lildonkey]

It's sexy when galaxie gets mad and goes all educational on your ass

[Carrie]

some people like certain foods, others don't.

no one should have to justify anything.

The ones that are all preachy about being a vegetarian and then eat seafood seems a bit hypocritical to me.

[dabbler]

i just don't understand how someone couldn't eat cheese (unless they were allergic)

[Ms.Tarantula]

Originally Posted by R Wellbelove

But wearing leather shoes is ok?

^^ NO SHIT.


and you (galaxie) just ranted about all that shit and then stated that you consume dairy.

Corporate-owned factories where cows are warehoused in huge sheds and treated like milk machines have replaced most small family farms. With genetic manipulation and intensive production technologies, it is common for modern dairy cows to produce 100 pounds of milk a day— 10 times more than they would produce in nature. To keep milk production as high as possible, farmers artificially inseminate cows every year. Growth hormones and unnatural milking schedules cause dairy cows' udders to become painful and so heavy that they sometimes drag on the ground, resulting in frequent infections and overuse of antibiotics. Cows— like all mammals— make milk to feed their own babies— not humans.

Dairy products are a health hazard. They contain no fiber or complex carbohydrates and are laden with saturated fat and cholesterol. They are contaminated with cow's blood and pus and are frequently contaminated with pesticides, hormones, and antibiotics. Dairy products are linked to allergies, constipation, obesity, heart disease, cancer, and other diseases.


IMO that's fucking gross.

[Wood]

i stopped feeling the need to be a moral vegetarian after several years, although my moral reasons for being vegetarian had more to do with the environmental impact of meat & dairy production than animal cruelty. I think once you start cutting things out of your life for moral reasons, you'll soon enough realize that there's a moral dilemma behind just about anything you can buy or consume in our society. So it kind of (for me, anyways) comes down to deciding if you want to be a part of that society or not. Rather than reject society entirely and go live in the woods, i've found that an attidude of moderation in all aspects of my life is more morally fullfilling than focusing on one thing like foods, transportation, etc. Most people i've known who focus too hard on boycotting one thing they have a moral problem with are ultimately realized to be hypocrites, like a leather shoe-wearing vegetarian.

I also think that a lot of vegetarians see themselves on such high moral ground that they end up alienating their peers, which in my mind could have just as much negative impact on our society as an individual who eats meat with no thought to the consequences.

[cubed]

Originally Posted by R Wellbelove

But wearing leather shoes is ok?

I wonder how many cows have been put down to fill nat's shoe and handbag fetish.

:)

[Ms.Tarantula]

dont get me wrong guys I eat meat. Im not a veg and I dont preach it I just didn't understand how you can go off about how eating around the meat is not okay when you wear leather and consume dairy.

just to be argumentative tho.

[Drafted]

no i don't eat mammals, yes i eat fish. and i would have no problem killing a cow with my bare hands.

it's a health choice, not a moral one

[miss.myra]

Originally Posted by Wood

i stopped feeling the need to be a moral vegetarian after several years, although my moral reasons for being vegetarian had more to do with the environmental impact of meat & dairy production than animal cruelty. I think once you start cutting things out of your life for moral reasons, you'll soon enough realize that there's a moral dilemma behind just about anything you can buy or consume in our society. So it kind of (for me, anyways) comes down to deciding if you want to be a part of that society or not. Rather than reject society entirely and go live in the woods, i've found that an attidude of moderation in all aspects of my life is more morally fullfilling than focusing on one thing like foods, transportation, etc. Most people i've known who focus too hard on boycotting one thing they have a moral problem with are ultimately realized to be hypocrites, like a leather shoe-wearing vegetarian.

I also think that a lot of vegetarians see themselves on such high moral ground that they end up alienating their peers, which in my mind could have just as much negative impact on our society as an individual who eats meat with no thought to the consequences.

I agree with this post 100%. I've never been a moral vegetarian, I just don't like meat/seafood, so I don't eat it.

On a side note, I've definitely noticed that there's a stigma that comes with not eating meat. Often people who are meat free or label themselves as a vegetarian get put in a position where they have to explain themselves or justify their eating habits to people. I think this is what causes a lot of 'moral' vegetarians to become more and more evangelical. I've noticed that some people tend to get very disappointed if you don't have a great explanation for why you don't eat meat. I spent years telling people I am allergic to meat just so I wouldn't have to deal with having to explain myself.

[baby-phat]

The reason I call myself a vegetarian is because it's easier and quicker to just say that than having to explain to people that I occasionally eat fish and free range chicken. For a few years I didn't eat either, but I eat them now for my health.

Originally Posted by galaxie

Vegetarians do not eat ANIMALS. Vegetarians do not eat anything that comes from the killing of animals, such as gelatin (in gummy candies, skittles, some types of yogurt, marshmallows, guinness beer, etc), soups with chicken/beef/fish stock, red smarties - they containe cochineal aka carmine or "E120" which is made from female beetles native to Mexico.

Um, I'm pretty sure that people who don't eat anything that comes from an animal are called vegans. Yes?

[baby-phat]

Originally Posted by dabbler

i just don't understand how someone couldn't eat cheese (unless they were allergic)

Same here- and that's why I could never be a 'real' vegetarian or vegan. :P hehe

[dj_soo]

if you're going to decry the morality of eating meat, then you should be a vegan. Period.

[kir mokum]

wood ftw.

the environmental impact argument is the only one i buy. the animal cruelty one is a little silly imo for a multitude of reasons.

[miss.myra]

People have a lot of silly reasons for choosing to do a lot of things in their life, though.

[kir mokum]

very true.

[tiedye]

It's ok to eat fish because they don't have any feelings.

[Wood]

^what about that fish who sings when you walk past... that fish has soul

[tiedye]

That's no fish. That's a modern day miracle.

[lildonkey]

Originally Posted by tiedye

It's ok to eat fish because they don't have any feelings.

Originally Posted by cubed

I wonder how many cows have been put down to fill nat's shoe and handbag fetish.

:)

Dont forget about the belts.

[kir mokum]

Originally Posted by galaxie

I am a moral vegetarian and have been for 10 years. Some people choose vegetarianism for health reasons, which is fine, but they often do not realize that there are animal by-products in their food, and if they do, they don't mind. Often, these are the type of people who would just "pick off" or "eat around" the meat. This frustrates the living heck out of me not because it's their choice, but because by calling themselves "vegetarians" they are suggesting to those around them that do not understand vegetarian culture that it should be acceptable for any vegetarian to "pick off" or "eat around" the meat. Being a moral vegetarian, nothing pisses me off more than "oh, the potato salad has bacon in it, but you can just eat around it, right?" NO. The answer is no. No I will not eat red smarties, nor will I have that delicious-looking rice krispie square.

if you're a vegetarian for health reason why the fuck would you be concerned with animal byproducts?
if you're a moral vegetarian because of the treatment of farmed animals (or even just the way animals are killed) what about hunted animals?
if you're a moral vegetarian because of environmental impact why would you be concerned with meat residue or "contamination"?

[galaxie]

Originally Posted by Ms.Tarantula

^^ NO SHIT.


and you (galaxie) just ranted about all that shit and then stated that you consume dairy.

Corporate-owned factories where cows are warehoused in huge sheds and treated like milk machines have replaced most small family farms. With genetic manipulation and intensive production technologies, it is common for modern dairy cows to produce 100 pounds of milk a day— 10 times more than they would produce in nature. To keep milk production as high as possible, farmers artificially inseminate cows every year. Growth hormones and unnatural milking schedules cause dairy cows' udders to become painful and so heavy that they sometimes drag on the ground, resulting in frequent infections and overuse of antibiotics. Cows— like all mammals— make milk to feed their own babies— not humans.

Dairy products are a health hazard. They contain no fiber or complex carbohydrates and are laden with saturated fat and cholesterol. They are contaminated with cow's blood and pus and are frequently contaminated with pesticides, hormones, and antibiotics. Dairy products are linked to allergies, constipation, obesity, heart disease, cancer, and other diseases.


IMO that's fucking gross.

Did you also read that I only eat ORGANIC dairy that is not produced in that manner? Read again:

Originally Posted by galaxie

A lot of moral vegetarians (like me) also choose to only eat organic and free-range dairy products because the animals are treated in a humane manner, compared to the disgustingly inhumane ways animals are treated at some large dairy farms.

Originally Posted by R Wellbelove

But wearing leather shoes is ok?

No, for me, it's not. I own ONE pair of shoes that has any leather, and they are for running. I looked everywhere (no joke) and couldn't find a pair without so I got a pair with as little as possible. I do not own any leather handbags or belts.

[galaxie]

Originally Posted by kir mokum

if you're a vegetarian for health reason why the fuck would you be concerned with animal byproducts?
if you're a moral vegetarian because of the treatment of farmed animals (or even just the way animals are killed) what about hunted animals?
if you're a moral vegetarian because of environmental impact why would you be concerned with meat residue or "contamination"?

I'm a moral vegetarian because I don't think it's right to kill another animal for survival if it's unnecessary.

[galaxie]

Originally Posted by galaxie

Vegetarians do not eat ANIMALS. Vegetarians do not eat anything that comes from the killing of animals, such as gelatin (in gummy candies, skittles, some types of yogurt, marshmallows, guinness beer, etc), soups with chicken/beef/fish stock, red smarties - they containe cochineal aka carmine or "E120" which is made from female beetles native to Mexico.

Originally Posted by baby-phat

Um, I'm pretty sure that people who don't eat anything that comes from an animal are called vegans. Yes?

"Vegetarians do not eat anything that comes from the killing of animals,..."

Vegans don't eat dairy. Vegetarians do. That's the difference.