raise minumim wage already! - Page 3

Revolver · #51 (**permalink**) Nov 06, 07

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Originally Posted by diva

I really don't give a rats ass if I come across as being tacky. I was trying to make a point that getting rid of a MANDATORY tax like income tax would be retarded.

Anyone who knows me knows that i'm one of the least materialistic people alive. I live in a shitty apartment dt (with a roommate) when I could afford to live somewhere way nicer. I work hard right now because like almost all students, I had to take out massive students loans to get through university, and those loans need to be paid off. I didn't cry about minimum wage when I was going to school.

i don't doubt how hard you have worked or how hard you do work.obviously you have my respect for that.

talking about how much you make is tacky. you've done it before a couple times. i would not of have said anything if you haven't....

im adult enough to say it. you should be adult enough to realize it.

same gose for esoter1c

Revolver · #52 (**permalink**) Nov 06, 07

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Originally Posted by miss.myra

I respectfully disagree with you on this.

I dislike braggers, especially people who constantly need to fill us in about how much money they make just as much as you do. Even though you felt like she was bragging, she was illustrating a really good point about income tax. Sometimes it brings validity to your point to have actual specific information, which she did. I very much doubt her intention was to let everyone know how much money she makes. Do you know how many hard hours you have to work to earn 7k as a nurse? Just put it into perspective.

oh i know...its just that ive seen it a few times before on the forum.if it was a one-off comment then it would of passed easier.

Gusto · #53 (**permalink**) Nov 06, 07

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Originally Posted by wishbone

Like Jim said, not everyone can afford to live in Toronto/Vancouver, that's why places like Moosejaw exist.

are you guys being facetious? places like moosejaw exist primarily as a community for their local populace, nothing to do with other cities being more expensive. moosejaw has been moosejaw longer than vancouver has been vancouver.

anyway, it's easy to say that people should move to where they can make more money, but there's more to it than that. some people have friends, family, history and other 'hooks' in BC. if a family has lived in BC for generations, do we really want them to move to saskatchewan because they can no longer afford to live here? i think the province should bear at least some responsibility (assuming we are talking about contributing members of society anyway).

it all comes down to whether we want to help people stay here or let them leave. it sounds like a lot of people here would prefer them to leave.

personally i don't mind paying a little more in the way of taxes to ensure that the people making the least amount of money in the province are making a little more, but i realize that it's kind of a stop gap solution and that better social programs could be more beneficial in the long term.

wishbone · #54 (**permalink**) Nov 06, 07

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what if it went the other way? Instead of helping people stay here, we were preventing people from leaving Vancouver if, for example, they got a higher paying job in Toronto. Do we want to control the best possible way for them to maximize their own wellbeing? Probably not...so why should we concern ourselves with assisting people in where they want to (or don't want to) live.

The Moosejaw thing, as far as I'm concerned, was merely a "anywhere but an expensive city" name. How about Chilliwack? Rent's dirt cheap out there, and I'm sure whatever minimum wage job someone does in Vancouver can easily be done there. And look, lower overhead costs for cheaper rent.

Living in an urban area, you expect the 'luxury tax' of being close to everything (including your family if you grew up here).

And as callous as I'm being with this.... "if a family has lived in BC for generations, do we really want them to move to saskatchewan because they can no longer afford to live here?"

Well, saskatchewan, Chilliwack, or down the road....people need to adapt. Look at me, I'm living in Coquitlam and not Kitsilano anymore. I really enjoy Kits. I want to move back there. Why not have the government's tax dollars assist me staying in Kits, then?

diva · #55 (**permalink**) Nov 06, 07

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Originally Posted by Revolver

i don't doubt how hard you have worked or how hard you do work.obviously you have my respect for that.

talking about how much you make is tacky. you've done it before a couple times. i would not of have said anything if you haven't....

im adult enough to say it. you should be adult enough to realize it.

same gose for esoter1c

Why don't you stop focusing on that one sentence and address the other comments i've made in this thread. Are you cabale of doing that?

I'll address your comment again, even though it was completely unrelated to the subject being discussed in this thread, and then i'm going stop replying to you unless you're dicsuccing min. wage, and why it should be increased to $10/hour.

It's very interesting that people here don't view that "latest purchse thread" as being tacky, but actually talking about money is. Here are some quotes from Suze Orman (that lesbian financial guru you see on tv late at night). She talks a lot about how money of often a taboo subject in our society, but shouldn't be.

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What do we talk about when we talk about money? We reflect on what we can buy with the money we have, what we can't buy because we don't have enough and what we're planning to buy when we have more. We discuss the careers that bring us money and the expenses that take it away. We talk about our favorite shops and restaurants, the causes we support, the places we've been and seen. We share aspirations that only money can make real.

In short, we talk about everything but money itself. In daily life, money is still a major conversational taboo. This is a shame, because money is at least as interesting and seductive as the things it does and buys, and the more you know about it, the more interesting it is.

As a financial advisor, I've seen hundreds of people learn to control their money instead of letting it control them and watched as they increased their freedom, power and security by handling money consciously. Wouldn't you like to know that you'll always have enough money to live exactly as you want to?

The truth is that there has never been a better time for money. For making and investing it. For taking charge of it rather than giving it to someone else to manage. For making simple, concrete preparations for a better, more prosperous tomorrow.

You'll never be powerful in life until you're powerful over your own money. Talking openly about it is the first step.

— Suze Orman, a certified financial planner, commodity trading advisor and registered investment advisor, is the author of the best-selling books You've Earned It, Don't Lose It (Newmarket Press) and The 9 Steps to Financial Freedom (Crown Publishers).

Disco_Whore · #56 (**permalink**) Nov 06, 07

For Diva & thechixor,
I understand and mostly agree with your arguments, but there's one minor flaw: Where is this 'funding' you're talking about coming from? Because raising minimum wage doesn't mean the government is paying everyone more money, employers are. So it's not a matter of money being better spent on these programs than on raising minimum wage, since they are separate (though related) issues.

Gusto · #57 (**permalink**) Nov 06, 07

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Originally Posted by wishbone

what if it went the other way? Instead of helping people stay here, we were preventing people from leaving Vancouver if, for example, they got a higher paying job in Toronto. Do we want to control the best possible way for them to maximize their own wellbeing? Probably not...so why should we concern ourselves with assisting people in where they want to (or don't want to) live.

why would it go the other way? it's not the the bc government's place to tell someone they can't move to toronto. besides, someone who's offered a higher paying job in toronto doesn't really fit into this equation since we're talking about minimum wage. and making more money in toronto is not maximizing your well being if you're leaving a family behind.

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Originally Posted by wishbone

The Moosejaw thing, as far as I'm concerned, was merely a "anywhere but an expensive city" name. How about Chilliwack? Rent's dirt cheap out there, and I'm sure whatever minimum wage job someone does in Vancouver can easily be done there. And look, lower overhead costs for cheaper rent.

maybe we're just talking semantics here. jim said that places like moosejaw and omaha exist because not everyone can afford to live in big cities, which is obviously not true. it's not why chilliwack exists either. chilliwack doesn't exist so poorer people can live there, that is a side effect of how remote it is, the industries there, etc. i wouldn't have even brought up this point if you didn't agree with and quote that point.

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And as callous as I'm being with this.... "if a family has lived in BC for generations, do we really want them to move to saskatchewan because they can no longer afford to live here?"

Well, saskatchewan, Chilliwack, or down the road....people need to adapt. Look at me, I'm living in Coquitlam and not Kitsilano anymore. I really enjoy Kits. I want to move back there. Why not have the government's tax dollars assist me staying in Kits, then?

i don't know if you fit into the minimum wage equation either. if you do and the minimum wage is increased then those dollars would assist you with decisions like that.

wishbone · #58 (**permalink**) Nov 06, 07

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Originally Posted by Gusto

why would it go the other way? it's not the the bc government's place to tell someone they can't move to toronto. besides, someone who's offered a higher paying job in toronto doesn't really fit into this equation since we're talking about minimum wage. and making more money in toronto is not maximizing your well being if you're leaving a family behind.

Well, if you've got a family, no. Although I know plenty of families who have moved long distances for jobs and such. But these are choices we all need to make in life.

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Originally Posted by Gusto

maybe we're just talking semantics here. jim said that places like moosejaw and omaha exist because not everyone can afford to live in big cities, which is obviously not true. it's not why chilliwack exists either. chilliwack doesn't exist so poorer people can live there, that is a side effect of how remote it is, the industries there, etc. i wouldn't have even brought up this point if you didn't agree with and quote that point.

Think of in ends, not means. Chilliwack's overall average income compared to Vancouver is going to be lower, right? Chilliwack doesn't exist so that people of lower income CAN live there, but rather the end is that "people of lower income live in Chilliwack", generally. It's not a place for poor people to go, rather people of lower income cannot afford to go anywhere else. Ends, not means.

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Originally Posted by Gusto

i don't know if you fit into the minimum wage equation either. if you do and the minimum wage is increased then those dollars would assist you with decisions like that.

I think I only ever worked one job minimum wage, but my work and education is beside the point. However, assume I did earn minimum wage. And for some reason, it went up. You've suddenly got a lot more money in the economy floating around, at which point sellers are going to eventually raise their prices to even out the marketplace. Employers and businesses will go through tough times as they've had to pay higher wages, and therefore some businesses may be suffering, even when the market reaches a new higher equilibrium. So in this stage, we'll have higher minimum wages but the same 'cost of living', and we'll have hurt businesses in the short run (while overall changing nothing in the long run).

While I think in an ideal world there should be no minimum wage, within our current system I'm fine with min. wage where it's at and raise it comparably with inflation, and in line with other provinces. To raise it by $2 would fuck up a LOT o thngs.

If I was working minimum wage, would i reject $10/hour coming my way? Not at all if that's what people voted on. Just as while I don't fully agree with government education grants, I use the system we work in to my benefit.

Hypocritical? Maybe, but unless I can convince every hooligan to understand free market economics the way I and others do, I'll merely sit back and observe. I've got better stuff to do, like working hard ;)

Revolver · #59 (**permalink**) Nov 06, 07

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Originally Posted by diva

Why don't you stop focusing on that one sentence and address the other comments i've made in this thread. Are you cabale of doing that?

I'll address your comment again, even though it was completely unrelated to the subject being discussed in this thread, and then i'm going stop replying to you unless you're dicsuccing min. wage, and why it should be increased to $10/hour.

are you capable of spelling capable?

i did discuss min. wage and what i thought about it,what demographics are most likely to work it and why i think min. wage should not be raised up to 10 dollars.all comments akin to questions you brought up earlier in the thread.

did you see any of that? or did you just stop when you saw your screen name?

and dont bother playing the 'get back to topic of thread' card...thats expired.

#60 (**permalink**) Nov 06, 07

For those who think raising min wage ONLY effects the employer's you need to think again. An employer who needs to now spend more money on wages will have to raise the price on the goods that you purchase. Therefore the cost of living goes up, BECAUSE min wage goes up. Do you not see how careful you have to be when trying to make a decision like this?

On top of that, if min wage goes up $2, does that mean everyone else's job goes up $2 too?

Guineveire · #61 (**permalink**) Nov 06, 07

I'm to lazy to read this whole thread but yes it should definetly be raised to 10 dollars.
A co worker asked me how much I made the other day with all the responsibilities I have at my work and she was so shocked when I told her.

Plus I think with paying someone only eight dollars an hour, you will only get 8 dollars an hour work and enthusiasum.
I'm not like that, but I think if people will be paid a little more, the company, etc will get a little more in return.

cubed · #62 (**permalink**) Nov 06, 07

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Originally Posted by R Wellbelove

On top of that, if min wage goes up $2, does that mean everyone else's job goes up $2 too?

Only $2 more an hour form me?!?!?

Not likely, I want it worked out percentage wise.

They're getting a 25% pay increase, I want one too!

SEAN! · #63 (**permalink**) Nov 06, 07

do employers even pay minimum wage anymore?

anybody who wants to can get a job banging nails for far above minimum wage. Why should we be concerned if people can't afford to rent where they want to live? you wouldn't feel the same way if it was a guy who was only making 80k a year but complaining that he can't afford to live in the British Properties.

Senior · #64 (**permalink**) Nov 06, 07

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Originally Posted by R Wellbelove

For those who think raising min wage ONLY effects the employer's you need to think again. An employer who needs to now spend more money on wages will have to raise the price on the goods that you purchase. Therefore the cost of living goes up, BECAUSE min wage goes up. Do you not see how careful you have to be when trying to make a decision like this?

On top of that, if min wage goes up $2, does that mean everyone else's job goes up $2 too?

the things is that around 90% of the people in BC make more than minimum wage in fact the average is around $20/hour. so 90% of the people in BC will be relatively unaffected as far as earnings go. that means that 90% of employers will be also be relatively unaffected.

"The pay raise would push up consumer prices by 0.35 percent."
When the lowest pay rises, what happens? | csmonitor.com

this article shows that in the US a $2 increase in the Federal minimum wage would result in a very small hike to consumer prices. it also shows that affected workers would benefit from a real increase in spending power of around 8%. at the same time it would cause a drop in employment of around 0.17%.

so yes there are pros and cons. but this will help the lowest wage earners in our Province.

cubed · #65 (**permalink**) Nov 06, 07

I WANT MY 15K MORE PER YEAR!!!

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Senior · #66 (**permalink**) Nov 06, 07

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