which is better, lcd or plasma?

[esoter1c]

Originally Posted by Revolver

i bet the margarines were unbelievable....

thats why i dont believe any of what you say.

[Senior]

Originally Posted by Alex

ya... funny... making an extra couple thousand a week to have people come to your house once in a while in the evening is such a joke.. and it's such a hassle to make a trip to seattle every 2nd weekend or so... watch a mariner's game, or seahawk's game, do some shopping come back.

you might have lots of money but you have no class...

[Senior]

most important to me is watching hockey and playing video games but I'm on a limited budget and will probably get something in the 32" to 37" range. is plasma still going to better?

Originally Posted by Revolver

realy depends on what size you want and what type of content your going to be using it for.

smaller screen sizes go with a lcd. larger screen sizes go with a plasma.

plasmas produce FAR supirior colours to lcd. each pixel in plasma emmits its own light and RGB colour spectrum.

LCD depends on a backlight wich passes light through the pixels witch reduce your black level wich then fades out your colours.you hear about cinespeed,and 2ms or 0ms responce times on the larger lcd panels but all that is a a digital chip wich processes the image faster and creates ghosting.....

*edit* HD hockey with excellent cables on a 50" inch plasama is some SERIOUS awsome.

HD hockey with excellent cables on a 52" LCD is some SERIOUS crap. unless your want to breach the 5g mark.*txes,dlv,wrnty*

people who own lcds might read that and go..."you dont know shit, MY FUCKING TV LOOKS SICK AND IM THE MAN"....trust me, ive spent years compareing panels lcd,pdp's,mmd on different sources,cables,pwr conditioners side by side with crazy tweaky ISF gurus calibrating them...plasma always kills.

responce times: if you like to watch sports,hockey,or play really intensive video games and want a HUGE 50 plus screen.... Plasma is your best choice. plasmas have aboslutly NO lag time and the 'myth' of image burn in from video game consoles are really a non issue.

prices are reasonable now that obviously what ever panle you choose go with a 1080p. sales goofs will throw the '120hz' spec at you but BELEIVE ME, its nice to have but for now and the next 5 years or so its a useless spec and a marketing ploy.

in terms of brands:

for plasma it ends with panasonic.

for lcd:sony/samsung are made in the same facility,both are good. but i would personally spend my money on a sharp aqous....

i own a 50'' panasonic 1080i plasma in the living room and a 42" toshiba lcd in the bedroom. toshiba is good but the only reason i have it is cause toshiba gave one to me free as a sales bonus....

plasma was the first consumer flat panel. they droped at prices of 20-25 k for about a 42'' or so. everyone and THERE MOTHER were looking for anyexcuse to dog the technology and create a justification for not spending that amount of money for a panel....thats why there is STILL a stigma around the technology. but, any industry insider or av salesguy worth his salt will tell you 10 times over....46-60"..plasma is the best,..smaller size?...lcd.

i hope that helps and wasnt too confusing.

and purchase the warnty. some retailers are far better then others. this should be your deciding factor when chosing where to purchase your panel

[stephen_c]

how many hrs of viewin are lcd and plasma good for?

[meth0dical]

one advantage of lcd is in high-light areas. if your living room is flooded with light lcd will be brighter, but if you have curtains/blinds over your window then a plasma will service you fine.

revolver is the guy to listen to, he hit the nail on the head. except the NEW sharp aquos which is substantially lighter than any pdp on the market, but at a higher cost.
i'll reiterate what he said. the panasonic viera is the end all for pdp, unless you get a super high-end pioneer (big bucks!!)
the aquos would be my choice for lcd if i was going to go that route.

[meth0dical]

Originally Posted by stephen_c

how many hrs of viewin are lcd and plasma good for?

half-life is better than 10 years for both panels. some reports say 15 year half-life at 6-8 hrs a day.
half-life is when the display only projects half the brightness compared to out-of-the-box

edit: this only applies to this years and last years models.

[stephen_c]

let's say 10hrs/day for 10yrs to reach 50% brightness.
but is a tv w/ only 50% brightness any good?
realistically, how long is a lcd or plasma good for?

[esoter1c]

Laser>Plasma>LCD



Supposed to be droppin' in 2008.

I'm waaaaaaaaaaiting.:noworry:

[meth0dical]

both panels should be completely usable for 10 years, but you might need to replace the backlight in the lcd. who keeps a tv for that long these days anyways?
you can get last years 42" panasonic plasma for about $1200 right now. if you upgrade in 6 years then you'd effectively be paying $200/year of use.

[meth0dical]

Manufacturer figures for longevity are closely guarded but I have added some here for your review:

Panasonic: States in new specifications that new plasma TVs and monitors are good to 60,000 to half life.

Sony: Now out of the plasma market. Does not list a figure for LCD lineup.

Samsung: Lists 60,000 hours for plasma lineup.

Pioneer: States 60,000 hours of use in their new 2005 models.

Sharp LCD panels: States 60,000 hour life.

source
^quick google search, if you want technical chat check out AVS Forum

[cinist]

Originally Posted by Revolver

i own a 50'' panasonic 1080i plasma in the living room

this is exactly what we picked up today at cosco

[Revolver]

Originally Posted by Senior

most important to me is watching hockey and playing video games but I'm on a limited budget and will probably get something in the 32" to 37" range. is plasma still going to better?

in your screen size lcd is the best choice....do you have a brand preference...you could pm me with your budget so i could help narrow it down for you

[Revolver]

Originally Posted by cinist

this is exactly what we picked up today at cosco

AWSOME!!!!!!!!! they are amazing panels.

ONE THING EXTREMELY IMPORTANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

when you first take it out of the box,hook it up and turn it on BRING DOWN YOUR PICTURE SETTINGS. bring them way down...

the first 36 hours of use on a plasma are its most important.

fresh plasma cells need a 'break-in' period to stabelize. the settings that they set up in the factory pushes the panel to its max so it stands out when its on the retailers sales floor. when your run your tv,lcd or plasma, at those settings your a killing the life of the tv.

on my panny i selected the cinema setting and further reduced the picture,brightness and colour settings and kept it that way for the first week. I also made sure that i alternated between widescreen, 4/3 and hi-def content. also,first couple of times you watch a dvd zoom in on it so the screen is completely filled with picture to warm up each cell corectly.

dont be worried if in the next week or two you see slight ghosting of images in your screen. the cells are warming and they will go away..

if you do this,in a week and a bit you will have a KILLER panel and you wont really need to worry about it....

and methodical seems to be droppin some good knowledge as welll...

[cinist]

thanks john i just set it all way down...

what are the best cables to get, because im using old ones on it right now

[stephen_c]

Originally Posted by meth0dical

Manufacturer figures for longevity are closely guarded but I have added some here for your review:

Panasonic: States in new specifications that new plasma TVs and monitors are good to 60,000 to half life.

Sony: Now out of the plasma market. Does not list a figure for LCD lineup.

Samsung: Lists 60,000 hours for plasma lineup.

Pioneer: States 60,000 hours of use in their new 2005 models.

Sharp LCD panels: States 60,000 hour life.

source
^quick google search, if you want technical chat check out AVS Forum

thx for the info :)

[Revolver]

Originally Posted by cinist

thanks john i just set it all way down...

what are the best cables to get, because im using old ones on it right now

get the BEST cables that you can afford.

cabels can make or break your system. cabels are what link the components together and how the panel recieves its signal. if that cable is of poor quality,low bandwith and low sheilding all those factors affect picture quality.

same with your powersource. get the best hometheater powerbar that you can get. i prefer monster cable all around.

pdp's and lcd's are designed for digital signals so always keep the links digital if you can.

hddvd,blu ray,high def upcnvrt dvd players, and hd-boxes should all be connected with high quality HDMI cables and nothing eles....maybey super highquality COMPONENT cables if you run out of hdmi space.

as i said, i prefer monster cables. they have exclusive patents on cabel winding techniques and the type materials used...

[guido]

monster cables patent the materials they use? so i guess nobody else can use copper any more...

[Revolver]

Originally Posted by guido

monster cables patent the materials they use? so i guess nobody else can use copper any more...

ahaha.....im not even going to go near this.

[SEAN!]

how significant is the difference between 1080i and 1080p when playing vids like call of duty 4

[C_squared]

I have done quite a bit of research on it. and even tho plasma only have like 6-7 years lifespan tops (something like over 60000 hours) I still think the image on Plasmas are quite sharper and more vibrant. And I'll most likely get a new TV in 6 years anyways so it's a good investment imo.

I just recently purchased a 42" Samsung Plasma 720p/1080i and i'm heavily stoked on it.

[Revolver]

Originally Posted by C_squared

I have done quite a bit of research on it. and even tho plasma only have like 6-7 years lifespan tops (something like over 60000 hours) I still think the image on Plasmas are quite sharper and more vibrant. And I'll most likely get a new TV in 6 years anyways so it's a good investment imo.

I just recently purchased a 42" Samsung Plasma 720p/1080i and i'm heavily stoked on it.

lol....60k hour is about 12 year half life @ 8 hours a day.

nobody use's a panel for 8 hours a day.

congrats on your sammy purchase los!!!./....was that the one that visions offerd for boxing day?...

[meth0dical]

Originally Posted by SEAN!

how significant is the difference between 1080i and 1080p when playing vids like call of duty 4

todays games, minimal.
most games right now are developed in 720p with the 1080 resolutions being afterthoughts. they can barely use the cell in the ps3 let alone render 1080p resolution at 60fps and most 360 owners dont have hdmi so no 1080p anyways

[C_squared]

Originally Posted by Revolver

lol....60k hour is about 12 year half life @ 8 hours a day.

nobody use's a panel for 8 hours a day.

congrats on your sammy purchase los!!!./....was that the one that visions offerd for boxing day?...

ok so it wasn't extensive research lols!

i think visions has it for the same price as FS where i got mine. saved a lot of $$ on it. tho now i could have gotten a 50" for only $100 more if i had waited for boxing day. so much for being patient. :nuts:

[decypher]

Originally Posted by SEAN!

how significant is the difference between 1080i and 1080p when playing vids like call of duty 4

I've read that no games support full 1080p right now. I think the advantage would mainly come watching high-end hd/blu-ray stuff that is motion intensive. It would definitely be a good idea if they are bringing out 1080p games. There seems to be some debate going on whether the games are coming or if it'll even happen.

[inside]

Originally Posted by meth0dical

one advantage of lcd is in high-light areas. if your living room is flooded with light lcd will be brighter, but if you have curtains/blinds over your window then a plasma will service you fine.

revolver is the guy to listen to, he hit the nail on the head. except the NEW sharp aquos which is substantially lighter than any pdp on the market, but at a higher cost.
i'll reiterate what he said. the panasonic viera is the end all for pdp, unless you get a super high-end pioneer (big bucks!!)
the aquos would be my choice for lcd if i was going to go that route.

The traditional reason why you would have an LCD over a Plasma in a bright room is becuase the front panel of the screen on an lcd is plastic so it dampens light reflection, while the plasma has a glass screen, so it reflects light. Panasonic have now come out with a Plasma that has a plastic screen that dapens light(looking to revolver for the model number). A high preformance Plasma that can be in a bright room, yes please!