male djs vs. female djs

[kir mokum]

that's why i can layer d'n'b over top of billie jean and the phrasing still works. i never thought about that before.

[dj_soo]

liar. dnb is standard 8 bar (or 16 depending on how you count) phrasing :P

[kir mokum]

yes, but billie jean is 2/3 d'n'b tempo so 12 bars of 4/4 at 114bpm = 1368 beats/12 bars and 16 bars of 4/4 at 171 bpm = 2732 beats/16 bars therefore every 8 bar phrase of d'n'b = 12 bar phrase of billie jean. otherwise it would line up every 12 bars of d'n'b and 8 bars of billie jean and it takes 15 phrases for the phrasing to line up again.

am i over thinking this?

[ebbomega]

Technically I can match up a 10 minute song with a 7.5 minute song just by stretching the 7.5min song to +33%, it doesn't mean it mixes....

Mixing multiple bpms doesn't really work unless you're doing doubles or halfs.

[prozac]

nerds.

[ebbomega]

[kir mokum]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

Technically I can match up a 10 minute song with a 7.5 minute song just by stretching the 7.5min song to +33%, it doesn't mean it mixes....

Mixing multiple bpms doesn't really work unless you're doing doubles or halfs.

ever heard of polyrhythm? it's basically 6/8 on 4/4.

[-evil-duerr-]

Originally Posted by prozac

nerds.

see, now if a guy rolled in here and said that. he'd get slaughtered for a statement like that!

that's probably half the difference right there.

the great djs are geeks,nerds,shut-ins,hermits etc. etc. There's nothing that glorious or glamorous about spending hours and hours alone in a messy bedroom, pushing buttons until something sounds right . It's blood, sweat and tears baby!

Sure, the most succesful DJ's are the ones who match their skills with equal parts charisma- but the focus ALWAYS has to be on the skills. Charisma is something you either got or don't, but skills is something that takes time and serious work; resulting in NERDS!!!!!! NERDS!!!! NERRRRRDDDDSSSS

[Séguin]

Originally Posted by dj_soo

liar. dnb is standard 8 bar (or 16 depending on how you count) phrasing :P

That's true of almost all EDM. Unless it's Techno, then you can work it as low as 4 or even 2 bars depending on the track.

That MJ song. I work it into regular common time tracks just fine when I play Top 40.

[dj_soo]

Originally Posted by -evil-duerr-

see, now if a guy rolled in here and said that. he'd get slaughtered for a statement like that!

no he wouldn't. We *are* nerds.

[-evil-duerr-]

slaughter with words! with WORDS dammit@!!!!

[ebbomega]

No, man, we'd just start a nerdy war-cry.

Like the Royal Canadian Kilted Yaksmen Anthem.

[-evil-duerr-]

as long as we give ourselves momentary breaks from the war-crying to use asthma puffers, that is a fantastic idea

Originally Posted by -evil-duerr-

see, now if a guy rolled in here and said that. he'd get slaughtered for a statement like that!

that's probably half the difference right there.

the great djs are geeks,nerds,shut-ins,hermits etc. etc. There's nothing that glorious or glamorous about spending hours and hours alone in a messy bedroom, pushing buttons until something sounds right . It's blood, sweat and tears baby!

Sure, the most succesful DJ's are the ones who match their skills with equal parts charisma- but the focus ALWAYS has to be on the skills. Charisma is something you either got or don't, but skills is something that takes time and serious work; resulting in NERDS!!!!!! NERDS!!!! NERRRRRDDDDSSSS

Just because someone spends HOURS and DAYS locked up by them selfs working on beats doesnt automatically make them talented. Im willing to bet that a good fraction of those kinds of ppl are just locking them selfs away doing drugs while there at.

Yes hard work and dedication will probably increase your talent level, but seriously there are soo many ppl making crummy beats out there and shooting them out like toys made in china, that I wouldn't stamp a hermit nerd with "skill" and "talent" right away.

Also just because someone is highly knowledgeable techy wise, doesnt make them a musical genius. This is why a lot of DJs and producers pair up.

[prozac]

Originally Posted by -evil-duerr-

see, now if a guy rolled in here and said that. he'd get slaughtered for a statement like that!

that's probably half the difference right there.

the great djs are geeks,nerds,shut-ins,hermits etc. etc. There's nothing that glorious or glamorous about spending hours and hours alone in a messy bedroom, pushing buttons until something sounds right . It's blood, sweat and tears baby!

Sure, the most succesful DJ's are the ones who match their skills with equal parts charisma- but the focus ALWAYS has to be on the skills. Charisma is something you either got or don't, but skills is something that takes time and serious work; resulting in NERDS!!!!!! NERDS!!!! NERRRRRDDDDSSSS

Hey now. I love nerds.

[kir mokum]

Originally Posted by R Wellbelove

Just because someone spends HOURS and DAYS locked up by them selfs working on beats doesnt automatically make them talented. Im willing to bet that a good fraction of those kinds of ppl are just locking them selfs away doing drugs while there at.

he said "great DJs are nerds" not "nerds are great DJs".

Originally Posted by R Wellbelove

Also just because someone is highly knowledgeable techy wise, doesnt make them a musical genius. This is why a lot of DJs and producers pair up.

i don't think anyone is arguing that. usually people who write music will pick up a lot of the technical know-how along the way since they're around it all the time (which can be taught, unlike musical taste or talent). but i would say that musical geniuses that have a really good technical understanding are light years ahead of the competition. people are just now catching up to what people like aphex twin, autechre, squarepusher where doing 10-15+ years ago and that's mostly because technology has made it easier to do what they did with synth building/hacking/customization.

and most importantly: DJs are def. not musicians. i find that comparison offencive.

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by kir mokum

he said "great DJs are nerds" not "nerds are great DJs".

Wildcard0: "So, what have you been up to for like the last decade?"
Marshall Jefferson: "Honestly? Playing Everquest...."

[dj_soo]

Originally Posted by kir mokum

and most importantly: DJs are def. not musicians. i find that comparison offencive.

I beg to differ - I think scratch DJs and turntablists are musicians.

Mix DJs are probably not "musicians" but that's not to say there isn't an art to being a good DJ...

[kir mokum]

Mix DJs are probably not "musicians" but that's not to say there isn't an art to being a good DJ...

i totally agree and i'm not trying to take that away from DJs. my point is that the mental process of [mix/beatmatch DJs] is very much unlike the mental process of writing music. i think it's a very unique mental process but it's not the same as being a musician.

I beg to differ - I think scratch DJs and turntablists are musicians.

i don't think that's the case across the board. i've heard a lot of scratch/turntablist DJs that had no clue what music was. i still think the process of putting together a routine and performing a routine is still very different from (but much closer to) the process of writing and performing music.

i can see this turning into a "what is art" discussion real quick which means it's probably time for me to STFU.

[ebbomega]

Well, not really, because I would quantify all DJing as a performance art, regardless of whether or not you consider it musicianship.

I dunno. It could really be argued either way. But I will say that I've seen plenty of turntablists that I wouldn't call a musician so much as a wanker. There's a thin line between what's creating music and what's just basically playing Other People's Music.

Even people that play their own music, the musicianship is happening in the production of the records and not so much in the actual act of DJing.

There are, of course, exceptions to every rule.

[kir mokum]

"not really" what?

[ebbomega]

i can see this turning into a "what is art" discussion real quick
The "not really" was that.

Like I said, DJing is an art form, even if it's not musicianship.

[kir mokum]

isn't that what i said?

[-evil-duerr-]

Originally Posted by R Wellbelove

Yes hard work and dedication will probably increase your talent level, but seriously there are soo many ppl making crummy beats out there and shooting them out like toys made in china, that I wouldn't stamp a hermit nerd with "skill" and "talent" right away.

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Talent isn't worth much if you're not willing to devote yourself to the work. The devotion required to become one of the greats (ZTRIP, CRAZE, QBERT etc etc) is hard work.
There's no doubt that those guys have natural talents, but had they not spent the girth of their energies on their projects; you would never have heard of them-hence why a near hermit lifestyle is pertinent to artistic success.

Natural talent should be a given, but it's refined talent that gets people places. You don't refine your talent at the bars or the malls with your friends, it happens in the studio/bedroom- that's all I was trying to say.

You can't sell un-tapped potential;unless you have a pretty face.

Originally Posted by -evil-duerr-

Talent isn't worth much if you're not willing to devote yourself to the work. The devotion required to become one of the greats (ZTRIP, CRAZE, QBERT etc etc) is hard work.
There's no doubt that those guys have natural talents, but had they not spent the girth of their energies on their projects; you would never have heard of them-hence why a near hermit lifestyle is pertinent to artistic success.

Natural talent should be a given, but it's refined talent that gets people places. You don't refine your talent at the bars or the malls with your friends, it happens in the studio/bedroom- that's all I was trying to say.

You can't sell un-tapped potential;unless you have a pretty face.

Sorry im trying to stay on topic. Im refering to the ppl who are judging Bri against ppl who are already hermit "nerds" and deserve a chance before she does. Sure ill stick up for the underdog bedroom dj/producer, but just because you produce, invested 1000's on your studio, and spend all your time and life making beats doesn't mean you deserve it over a dj who doesn't.
For one, I get really disappointed hearing crummy tracks from some hermit dj/producers who claim to be making tracks constantly. Just because you work your ass off doesn't necessarily mean what you make is any good. However they seem to think so and so do others who judge by hard work and not the final out come.
Second of all, you have to get your self out there. This goes for ANY type of artist. So really I dont have a lot of sympathy for ppl who call them selfs producers and expect more respect and honor than a dj who is working there butt off and getting them selfs out there.