how come we don't hear much about female geniuses?

[NinjaBoy]

Originally Posted by miss.myra

I hear a lot of people say this about Ayn Rand and I'm usually not sure if

1. they've managed to read an entire novel of hers that wasn't atlas shrugged

2. they've managed to read any ayn rand and just say these statements because they seem to go along with what everyone else thinks of her

Read half of Atlas Shrugged, and a third of fountain head. I started reading these because I read some of her writings on philosophy and found them very interesting.

Granted this means that I wouldn't have as much knowledge as other people, but I believe that reading some of her fiction does allow me to comment on her fiction writing.

Her essays, are well written clearly presenting her ideas in a clear and concise way. Easy to relate to and understand the basis of.

Her fiction writing on the other hand is a mess. Her characters are poorly defined, lacking any definition. They are written more like examples that you would use in an essay. Not actual people. Her writing is descriptive to a fault. Spending pages and pages describing the procedures behind making steal and what her characters see. Her stories drag on unnecessarily. Yes, I could see it was going to lead somewhere, but I couldn't stand the characters enough to follow it through to the end. And I never figured out who John Galt was either.

Her ideas are great, and extremely interesting. But her fiction writing does not nearly match up.

Some people enjoy this style, I however do not.

[robyn]

Originally Posted by miss.myra

Back to the original topic, the sad part is that females were excluded from being artistic, intellectual, etc. so much for the last eon or so that we tend to take a few women that did do something and blow up mediocre accomplishments so that they can get a place in history books or literary texts. Yes, Emily Dickenson was a great poet, but I wouldn't call her a genius. Edna St. Vincent Millay was perhaps one of the most innovative female poets in the last 100 years but you hardly hear a word about her because she was bisexual, never had children and lead a very avant garde lifestyle that had her shunned from even being included in the way she ought to be in discussions of female artistic genius. Also, if you want to talk about female artistic genius in the last 100 years, look at Martha Graham!

emily dickinson's poetry was so unconventional that it didn't appear without being grossly edited until the 1950's. early reviews tended include some critical mention of her reclusive lifestyle. don't laura secord everyone you don't like.

[tiedye]

Ayn Rand's work is extremely interesting despite the fact that I often disagree with her. It's a healthy contrast to a lot of my underdeveloped points of view. I thoroughly enjoyed Anthem and reading it brought up a lot of questions about capitalism and individuality that I had never really thought of before then.

I also think her writing style is intentional. I've yet to finish one of her novels and feel that it wasn't complete.

[tiedye]

[miss.myra]

Originally Posted by tiedye

Ayn Rand's work is extremely interesting despite the fact that I often disagree with her. It's a healthy contrast to a lot of my underdeveloped points of view. I thoroughly enjoyed Anthem and reading it brought up a lot of questions about capitalism and individuality that I had never really thought of before then.

I also think her writing style is intentional. I've yet to finish one of her novels and feel that it wasn't complete.

Yes, her writing style is intentional and lacking certain things on purpose. Hemingway did the same thing and people praised him for it (for the most part), but Ayn Rand is still a horrible author.

[NinjaBoy]

Originally Posted by miss.myra

Yes, her writing style is intentional and lacking certain things on purpose. Hemingway did the same thing and people praised him for it (for the most part), but Ayn Rand is still a horrible author.

That's really oversimplifying it.

[Ragga_Wh0re]

Originally Posted by NinjaBoy

I think you confused. The politically correct attitude has changed. Everyone will say that women can do whatever they want and blah blah blah. But the actual attitude hasn't actually changed as much as you'd think. Also keep in mind Vancouver is a very very liberal part of the world.

All fields are different. Other then on-air personalities, I've seen very little sexism in my field. Hell my boss is a woman. But I'm interested in hearing what field you work in that has created such a hostile working environment.

I slang lead for a supplier. I dont get many people who refuse to deal with me because I'm female, but the odd time that it does happen it really pisses me off.

I acknowledge the fact that as much things have changed politically speaking, not as much has changed fundamentally. At my company i get paid less then the men do because I am female, my boss is female and also gets paid less because she is female also. Not something the president or the owners of the company would openly admit to, but we know whats up.Admittedly, this is the first company ive worked for where it has this dynamic, Im not certain if its directly industry related as this industry is generally an "old boys" club, or more so attributed to the higher ups.

[jenai]

madonna is a genius.

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by jenai

madonna is a genius.

Genius marketer yes.

But notice how all the people who make her music are men...

[P.A.R.T.Y]

What a waste of time reading Azazel's boring drivel.