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Mar 28, 08
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The Chinese have a word that means impending danger, yet in the same time, opportunity.
Environmentalism, like any large industry, has it's share of ulterior motives. OR OR OR ...maybe it's just that the aliens don't want our crap out there so under secret treaties from G8 summits and such we've been told to keep our shit cause nobody wants it orbiting some unknown universe and creating a garbage planet with garbage people that one day turn everything they touch into garbage. OR OR OR ...maybe that's us. I mean between this plastic soup and a primordial stew, there must be some innate qualities. 
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Mar 29, 08
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do you think sending them to the landfill makes them more biodegradable or something? did you know you can also recycle those bags?
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Mar 29, 08
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Some things that shouldn't go unmentioned:
The bullshit episode may be correct in what it postulates for the most part, but it doesn't address certain core values of our society. Like for the us to use up 8 billion annually to recycle pales in comparison to the amount that is used keeping the bulk of their troops over seas and other efforts in their war drive. The 8 billion spent on recycling might use up more energy, but we can use green energies sources that are renewable resources, like wind or hydro or solar (which is increasingly efficient over the last 5 years). Let's just ignore the water engine for now. Yes recycling uses more energy, but it also stops a lot of extra plastic from being made. Now the argument about landfills taking up a small amount of space may be all well and true, but it doesn't address that enough plastics don't make the landfills, a perfect testament is this garbage island soup. The vortex in the water surrounding garbage island literally breaks down these plastics into individual molecules, thus effecting the majority of marine life. Plastic is toxic, and these toxins effect us that is in no way bullshit, and it's not just from the contamination of our water. Anyone ever heard of BPA?? You should, it's in tons of our food/beverages. Thanks to the pioneering research from folks at EWG and other related advocacy groups, BPA is finally getting some mainstream attention. It's used for baby bottles, most water bottles, and almost all canned food. The FDA or EPA won't address this without a large public outrcry. Health Canada is at least making a review of this chemical, but are going about it in such a manner to down play the risks. Here's a couple Vancouver Sun articles about it: New study adds to alarms over baby bottles Study warns of plastic peril in baby bottles and some EWG articles: Bisphenol A: Toxic Plastics Chemical in Canned Food | Environmental Working Group FDA Is Challenged on Toxic Chemical in Baby Bottles | Environmental Working Group Plastic is put simply, a big deal. We freeze almost all our foods in it although this is a known way to leach carcinogens, we do it anyways. BPA is a hormone disrupter, it messes with the sex drive, so the question is: how many more chems are there that haven't been discovered in plastic that are rewiring our hormones? We're basically genetically hacking ourselves on the level of mere health concerns, but if that's not bad enough using plastics effects all the life on this planet, not just us. A new standard is necessary. That or we build a really big rocket.
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Mar 29, 08
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iam not sayin if it's right or wrong, good or bad, recyclable or not recyclable, yin or yan, or w/e iam askin who's usin plastic grocery bags for garbage cuz i have a suspicion 99.9% of us are, includin every environmentalist in this thread.
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Mar 30, 08
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I'm in bali, Indonesia right now. I went for a swim earlier today and felt so much seaweed at my legs. then I realized it was plastic and garbage. There was so much of it. The local people here, and so many other parts of Asia and I'm sure the world, litter like there's no tomorrow.
It's really sad. I guess when you grow up littering, with nobody saying anything and grow up around litter, it doesn't bother you or take affect on you like it would to you and I. I've seen some pretty sadly polluted rivers and creeks. Particularly in India. This one river was black and bubbling. Full of raw sewage of at least a million people from the biggest slum in Bombay. furthermore it had tons of chemicals from local industry. The smell was so overwhelming that I almost threw up. Still I saw someone inside of it, up to his neck, looking for anything to salvage. It was really sad.
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Mar 30, 08
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Good read.
I don't recycle.
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