do you think times are a changin?

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by Ragga_Wh0re

I really dont think so.As a society we are still in our infancy, look at europe. How long did it take them until they had a social structure that was user friendly? To create user friendly systems based on logic and need is overshadowed by a capitalist economy. America doesnt give a shit about its people nor the environment.

europe isn't as user friendly as it seems, just a few months ago hey had a referendum on wether they should ban minarets/traditional mosques in switzerland. even in western europe there still is alot of overt racism and oppression, they also don't have the same opportunities as we have in canada. ask your dad, why did he leave italy? my parents/grandparents left cuz shit was fucked up and they could be who they were and do what they wanted here, they could also make more money.

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

If we're looking to international news sources I'd say the most unbiased is Al-Jazeera.

yeah, if you got a hate on for israel.

[Ragga_Wh0re]

^Im not saying theyre perfect, but some of thier social offerings like schooling and healthcare are a lot better then the Canadian/American variety.

and my dad actually wants to go back.

[miss.myra]

Originally Posted by cubed

I agree and disagree with this. I fully agree that slanderous campaign ads like these should be left out as they usually have limited or no factual legs to stand on. But what you need to understand from a marketing campaign these ads aren't geared towards the educated metropolitans who have the resources to make an intelligent decision on who to vote for at the polls, many of these people already have a good understanding of who they're going to vote for before the campaigns even begin.These ads are meant to swing the uneducated or politically isolated people that have no clue what's going on in the political world, and are merely going to the polls for some sense of civic duty.

You wouldn't bring Voltaire to a kindergarten class for story time would you?

you have a point, but these days everyone has the resources available to them. I'm pretty sure it's clear to all of us that every idiot out there probably has the internet if they have the tv and the cable to view those horrid attack ads.

Harper's Conservatives have been airing attack ads on the radio and television for months before an election was even announced. These ads are a complete waste of money and probably only make the ignorant masses care less about politics (who wants to get involved in all that drama?). I still think they should be outlawed.

[decypher]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

Which is interesting, considering in the states the media and the government are supposed to be separate and CBC gets government funding.

I can't really think of a single American news source I really trust. Dan Rather used to be great on CBS but he had principles so he got fired.

Dan Rathers is the man. I get this channel called HD net which has his "Dan Rather's reports" show. I have his special on Vancouver's Insite saved on my pvr. I'll try and get it online for you guys. His program is great.

[Grapes]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

If we're looking to international news sources I'd say the most unbiased is Al-Jazeera.

If nothing else, at least they've pretty much summed up the campaign so far..

[Grapes]

How much am I looking forward to the Vice Presidential debate? :D

[cubed]

Originally Posted by miss.myra

you have a point, but these days everyone has the resources available to them. I'm pretty sure it's clear to all of us that every idiot out there probably has the internet if they have the tv and the cable to view those horrid attack ads.

The most recent survey on Canadian internet use puts the rate of unconnected people at 39%. That's a large number of voting public that don't use the web for their daily intake of sources.

All I'm saying is that these ads aren't directed at your everyday metropolitan person. They breed on those effected by "sensational marketing", which contrary to what you might think is a demanding percentage of the population.

Harper's Conservatives have been airing attack ads on the radio and television for months before an election was even announced. These ads are a complete waste of money and probably only make the ignorant masses care less about politics (who wants to get involved in all that drama?).

I agree with you for the most part, but see above.

I still think they should be outlawed.

Now you're just opening a whole other can of worms. Encroaching on civil liberties like that is only going to create a whole other mess to deal with.

[cubed]

And Dave, that Biden video was great.

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by Ragga_Wh0re

^Im not saying theyre perfect, but some of thier social offerings like schooling and healthcare are a lot better then the Canadian/American variety.

and my dad actually wants to go back.

to retire?

the weather is nicer

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by SEAN!

yeah, if you got a hate on for israel.

the only people living in the middle east who don't have their hate on for israel are the israelis. That doesn't strike you as odd?

That's like saying Canadian media is anti-American because they keep reporting on Bush's fuckups.