RCMP Officer accused in fatal crash also involved in death of Robert Dziekanski

[GSG9]

when it comes down to morals, does that really make a difference? i dont think so.

[Goat]

Originally Posted by Some dude

ooooooooh, but the RCMP won't give up any records regarding the Dziekanski thing so we can't prove those cops did anything wrong.

Srsly though, all emergency vehicles in Vancouver are fucking insane.
Driving down the wrong side of the road during rush-hour? Better be a fucking gunfight going on if you're doing that.

Anytime you see or hear an emergency vehicle using it's lights you're supposed to pull over to the side of the road and turn off your engine, it's the law. We all went through the same drivers course, there's no excuse for anyone.

Every fireman I've met is an arrogant dick with a sense of self entitlement bigger that the federal liberal party.

Becoming a firefighter is *extremely* competitive. It's a 9-12000$ course with no job security ensured at the end of. People volunteer their nights for for years (iwth no pay) to get noticed. Waiting lists are years long and worse in the lower mainland and major cities. Anyone able to score a gig in van or anywhere else that isn't dipshit nowhere should be damn proud.
As for the entitlement bit, there's union garbage for almost all government employees, they're there for a reason though. Deal with it.
They put their lives out there so you don't have to.

[Goat]

Originally Posted by tiedye

He failed a breathalizer.... while driving a motor vehicle... and get suspended with pay on the government's tab?

whiskey tango foxtrot, people.

He was offduty at the time. Whoever copy and pasted left that out conveniently. If there's an internal invesitgation pending, he hasn't been convicted and is still innocent until proven guilty. That's human rights 101. A luxury we enjoy in Canada.

Drinking and driving is bullshit, hands down, I'm not arguing that.

How much less attention would this be getting if a) he wasn't a cop or b) the title of this wasn't so sensationalist.

[stringbeans]

Originally Posted by Some dude

Die in a fire, dipshit. Is getting to the hospital 10 seconds sooner worth being the cause of another accident?

And I am going to bitch and moan, I respect police and firemen less than any other profession I can think of.

actually i probably wont die in a fire because most people will pull over. the issue isnt getting TO the hospital, its the paramedics (ps. firefighters are paramedics too) getting TO YOU.

its funny cause most people usually grow out of that FUCK THA POLICE phase when they move out of surrey but maybe you're still part of that kappa-wearing no profession demographic!

[GSG9]

or c) people gave him the benefit of the doubt cause he hadnt been involved in the tazer incident.

[Goat]

Originally Posted by Some dude

Die in a fire, dipshit. Is getting to the hospital 10 seconds sooner worth being the cause of another accident?

Emergency vehicle operators take an extended driving course, usually with their air brakes.

If someone is deemed rapid transport category, they have approx 1 'golden' hour, from the time injury has been caused for a critical intervention with the highest chance of success to occur. Given it takes approx 5 min from time of call reported to roll out,15+ minutes to get anywhere from a hospital in Van, 15 minutes for packaging and initial assessement, and another 15+ minutes to get to a hospital.

Add those numbers up and tell me if you'd liike to wait longer then that on the side of the highway/alley with a collapsed lung or broken neck.

[Ragga_Wh0re]

Originally Posted by GSG9

when it comes down to morals, does that really make a difference? i dont think so.

im not arguing morality im arguing logic guy.

[NinjaBoy]

Originally Posted by Some dude

Every fireman I've met is an arrogant dick with a sense of self entitlement bigger that the federal liberal party.

SeeBooze ban sparks mass resignation at N.L. fire hall

Sigh... Just to be clear this isn't the horrible self entitled case you think it is...

It's a town of less then 600, and 300 petitioned to have the ban lifted.

In smaller towns, places like the fire hall often act as a meeting hall or bar. And it looks like the resignation was over something else anyways.

CANOE -- CNEWS - Canada: N.L. mayor's fire hall booze ban met with protest

Neither of us are sure what it is, but it doesn't look entierly like a horrible case of self entitlement.

[GSG9]

Originally Posted by Ragga_Wh0re

im not arguing morality im arguing logic guy.

well thats a first for you then isnt it?

[Some dude]

Originally Posted by Goat

Anytime you see or hear an emergency vehicle using it's lights you're supposed to pull over to the side of the road and turn off your engine, it's the law. We all went through the same drivers course, there's no excuse for anyone.

Lies. You're supposed to get out of the way, not sit their with your engine off like some idiot. Or maybe that's just how we do things over in hicksville.

Originally Posted by Goat

Becoming a firefighter is *extremely* competitive. It's a 9-12000$ course with no job security ensured at the end of. People volunteer their nights for for years (iwth no pay) to get noticed.

In other words, it's like any professional degree, but a fifth the cost and much less time invested. But. I don't recall my friend who never grew out of the "I wanna be a fireman!" phase having to do that anyway.

Originally Posted by Goat

Waiting lists are years long and worse in the lower mainland and major cities.

So people are lining up to be profession jackasses?

Originally Posted by Goat

Anyone able to score a gig in van or anywhere else that isn't dipshit nowhere should be damn proud.

Last I checked, most real "dipshit nowhere" places recruit from the community. Maybe you edumacated bigtown folks have a different definition of nowhere, though.

Originally Posted by Goat

As for the entitlement bit, there's union garbage for almost all government employees, they're there for a reason though. Deal with it.
They put their lives out there so you don't have to.

Government unions ain't that bad compared to the rest. They aren't the problem.

[Some dude]

All aboard the karma train!

Originally Posted by stringbeans

actually i probably wont die in a fire because most people will pull over. the issue isnt getting TO the hospital, its the paramedics (ps. firefighters are paramedics too) getting TO YOU.

its funny cause most people usually grow out of that FUCK THA POLICE phase when they move out of surrey but maybe you're still part of that kappa-wearing no profession demographic!

Last I checked, firefighters were EMTs, not paramedics.

Can't quite recognize you from that blurry pic, but you look a lot like some DJ I know. That's a worthwhile profession, eh?

[Some dude]

T-T-Triple Post!

Originally Posted by NinjaBoy

Sigh... Just to be clear this isn't the horrible self entitled case you think it is...

It's a town of less then 600, and 300 petitioned to have the ban lifted.

In smaller towns, places like the fire hall often act as a meeting hall or bar. And it looks like the resignation was over something else anyways.

CANOE -- CNEWS - Canada: N.L. mayor's fire hall booze ban met with protest

Neither of us are sure what it is, but it doesn't look entierly like a horrible case of self entitlement.

Was just the first 2 firefighter type thngs I could think of, tbh.

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by Some dude

Last I checked, firefighters were EMTs, not paramedics.

Um, paramedics are just a class of EMT.

Can't quite recognize you from that blurry pic, but you look a lot like some DJ I know. That's a worthwhile profession, eh?

Yeah, you're being an idiot here.

DJing is a hobby to 99% of the people who do it. This is not the same as being a fireman, where you're actively making a career out of it.

For the people that do become pro, it's a pretty challenging field that involves a lot of self-promo and living at the poverty level for a good while. And it's no less a "worthwhile" profession than being a musician or any other kind of performance artist.

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by Some dude

All aboard the karma train!




Last I checked, firefighters were EMTs, not paramedics.

Can't quite recognize you from that blurry pic, but you look a lot like some DJ I know. That's a worthwhile profession, eh?

same shit different toilet (actually different name because they are THE SAME THING)

john is a nerd herd IT guy, that is a profession, to him djING is a hobby, much like wacking your pud is to you.

[lildonkey]

I watched a documentary recently on new york.. and apparently most of the ambulances belong to the fire department in NY... weird...

[Some dude]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

Um, paramedics are just a class of EMT.

EMTs get about half the training of a paramedic. It's like saying an engineering technician is just a class of engineer.

As for DJs being musicians, that's for a different thread to decide.

[b0ld]

jesus fuckin christ you guys have a bad case of A.D.D

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by Some dude

EMTs get about half the training of a paramedic. It's like saying an engineering technician is just a class of engineer.

[citation needed]

As for DJs being musicians, that's for a different thread to decide.

That wasn't what I was arguing. I said that it's every bit as strenuous a job as being a musician is. If anything I implied that a DJ is a performance artist.

Wow, you get caught up on semantics a lot.

[Some dude]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

[citation needed]

I just looked it up on wikipedia, and good God, it's worse than I thought. Basic level EMTs usually get 100-120 hours classroom time (2 week crash-course, I think my friend did it over a month or so), paramedics 1000 hours.

[Piquant]

^ You're an idiot.

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by Some dude

I just looked it up on wikipedia, and good God, it's worse than I thought. Basic level EMTs usually get 100-120 hours classroom time (2 week crash-course, I think my friend did it over a month or so), paramedics 1000 hours.

I did, that's how I know you're wrong:

Originally Posted by wikipedia

Levels of EMTs

See also: Emergency medical responder levels by U.S. state

The NHTSA recognizes four levels of EMTs[2]:

* EMT-B (Basic)
* EMT-I/85 (Intermediate)
* EMT-I/99 (Intermediate)
* EMT-P (Paramedic)

Look it up yerself

[Some dude]

Helps to read the whole thing:

In the United States, EMT-Bs receive at least 110 hours of classroom training, often reaching or exceeding 120 hours. EMT-Is generally have 200-400 hours of training, and EMT-Ps are trained for 1,000 hours or more.