Sarah flipping Palin.

[diva]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

Why aren't Americans pissed off that they didn't hear this until after the election?

Maybe because some of them have taken Obama's victory speech to heart and have decided to look to a positive future.

[rawb]

OH MAN GREAT SPEECHES FIX EVERYTHING l

[diva]

Originally Posted by rawb

OH MAN GREAT SPEECHES FIX EVERYTHING l

They don't fix everything, but they can do a lot to try and unify people. What's the point of wasting time discussing Palin? There's no point. The less attention that woman gets, the better. She will fade away into obscurity. Republicans will regroup into a more inclusive party if they want a chance in 2010. Way more important shit to focus on right now. I think that was the point of his speech.

[cubed]

[rawb]

Originally Posted by diva

They don't fix everything, but they can do a lot to try and unify people. What's the point of wasting time discussing Palin?

i see a lot of point in discussing press bias and bad news reporting, i think its a huge problem in the modern media.

[diva]

Originally Posted by rawb

i see a lot of point in discussing press bias and bad news reporting, i think its a huge problem in the modern media.

who's bias? "liberal media" bias, or "right wing" bias? there's a lot of bias on both sides. and like i said before, bigger fish to fry at the moment.

[diva]

Also, paid staff members aren't usually allowed to divulge confidential campaign information. That might be another reason why this wasn't made public until after the election.

[rawb]

Originally Posted by diva

who's bias? "liberal media" bias, or "right wing" bias? there's a lot of bias on both sides. and like i said before, bigger fish to fry at the moment.

are we reading the same thread? ebbomega talked about the outrage of the bias that let a news reporter not report something that was significant to the election, and save it until after it was completed.

i think stuff like this is a huge deal, no matter who it is about or what party's bias the reporter has.

[diva]

Originally Posted by rawb

are we reading the same thread? ebbomega talked about the outrage of the bias that let a news reporter not report something that was significant to the election, and save it until after it was completed.

i think stuff like this is a huge deal, no matter who it is about or what party's bias the reporter has.

i might have missed the part where dave indicated when this information surfaced...

[ebbomega]

Just watch the video. Reporter admits that he knew about this beforehand. Even says he wishes he could have reported it earlier.

Fact of the matter is that he could have reported it earlier. Nothing was keeping him from doing so other than a horribly biased Newscorp.

[diva]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

Just watch the video. Reporter admits that he knew about this beforehand. Even says he wishes he could have reported it earlier.

Fact of the matter is that he could have reported it earlier. Nothing was keeping him from doing so other than a horribly biased Newscorp.

I haven't taken any journalism courses, but I think you need to be able to confirm your sources in order to be a credible journalist. Maybe the source wasn't willing to go on record. Just a thought. You're the one who's advocating integrity in journalism.

[rawb]

Originally Posted by diva

I haven't taken any journalism courses, but I think you need to be able to confirm your sources in order to be a credible journalist.

then why report on it now? the sources don't seem to be any more confirmed, the timing decision is obviously unrelated to that fact.

[decypher]

Well sometimes sources only divulge information if there is a relationship of trust with the reporter that the source will not be revealed. It's still up to the journalist to decide what is a story depending on the sort of news values they hold. So timeliness is definitely one of those value judgments made by the reporter especially in this case.

[ebbomega]

He even admits that he was waiting specifically for the end of the election to report it. Confirmation of sources had nothing to do with it.

Keep in mind that FOX has been in the back pocket of the Republican party for ages. They were the ones who erroneously reported FL in the 2000 election. They're the ones who have been keeping Bill-O on the air despite his consistent lack of fact-checking. And to top it off, they hired on Karl Rove as an editorial commentator whilst he was still actively advising the White House.

The concept of a fourth estate seems to be completely beyond Murdoch.

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by decypher

Well sometimes sources only divulge information if there is a relationship of trust with the reporter that the source will not be revealed. It's still up to the journalist to decide what is a story depending on the sort of news values they hold.

This is exactly the problem. The news media is supposed to be a separate entity from the government. Heck, we have a publicly sponsored network in Canada and _THEY_ understand that.

That level of confidence shouldn't exist between the media and the government.

[decypher]

Exactly. In cases where the government use the news to their benefit i.e Karl Rove and the C.I.A leak are tricky. Having an unspoken non-disclosure relationship is especially dangerous here. I'd like to think of the news as the forth estate, the watchdog of the government type thing but it's hard sometimes when they are so obviously manipulated by other organizations.

[Grapes]

I'm not even sure that it would have made a big difference if America HAD been informed that the potential VP didn't know Africa was a continent... I mean... after all, many Americans don't have maps.... like.. such as... the Iraq... and the Asian countries...

[-evil-duerr-]

shes good for a porno or two.

[diva]

Oh man.
Six minute mark.

[diva]

Originally Posted by rawb

then why report on it now? the sources don't seem to be any more confirmed, the timing decision is obviously unrelated to that fact.

Here's a clip where the reporter explains how they would embargo all the information the campaign gave them until after the election.

I can't wait to watch and read more of this stuff.

[impure]

LOL.

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[miss.myra]

Originally Posted by rawb

MYRA IS FNKS HOCKEY MOM MAVERICK l

chaa! i wish! haha

[rawb]

YOU BETCHA l

[stephen_c]

Palin denounces her critics as cowardly, defends wardrobe purchases

By Dan Joling And Sharon Theimer, The Associated Press

ANCHORAGE, Alaska - Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin called her critics cowards and jerks Friday for deriding her anonymously and insisted she never asked for the expensive wardrobe purchased for her use on the presidential campaign.


"I never asked for anything more than a Diet Dr. Pepper once in a while," Palin said as she returned to the governor's office from her two-month odyssey as the Republican vice-presidential nominee. She said the Republican National Committee paid for the tens of thousands of dollars in designer clothes and accessories.


"Those are the RNC's clothes. They're not my clothes. I never forced anybody to buy anything," she said.


Republican party lawyers are still trying to determine exactly what clothing was purchased for Palin at such high-end stores as Saks Fifth Avenue and Neiman Marcus, what was returned and what has become of the rest.


She particularly lashed out at the anonymous Republican campaign sources cited in a Fox News report who said she did not know Africa was a continent, not a country, and could not name the three countries in the North American Free Trade Agreement: Canada, the United States and Mexico.


"I consider it cowardly" that they did not allow their names to be used, she said.


Palin said those allegations aren't true. She recalled discussing Africa and NAFTA with aides who prepared her for the vice-presidential debate with Democrat Joe Biden.


"If there are allegations based on questions or comments that I made in debate prep about NAFTA, and about the continent versus the country when we talk about Africa there, then those were taken out of context," she said. "That's cruel, It's mean-spirited. It's immature. It's unprofessional and those guys are jerks if they came away with it, taking things out of context and then tried to spread something on national news. It's not fair, and it's not right."


Palin also said she would not call on Senator Ted Stevens (R-Alaska) to resign, although last month, before his re-election bid, she said he should "step aside" and "play a very statesmanlike role in this now." Stevens, 84, was found guilty on seven counts of trying to hide more than $250,000 in free home renovations and other gifts that he received from a wealthy oil contractor.


Three days after the election, Stevens, the longest serving Republican in Senate history, is about 3,500 votes ahead of Democratic challenger Mark Begich with thousands of absentee ballots to be counted in the next two weeks.


Said Palin on Friday: "The Alaska voters have spoken and me not be a dictator, won't be telling anyone what to do."


When asked if she would call on him to resign, Palin said: "Not after the will of the people has been made manifest via that vote."


Meanwhile, RNC lawyers are discussing with Palin whether what's left of the clothing and accessories purchased for her on the campaign trail will go to charity, back to stores or be paid for by Palin, a McCain-Palin campaign official said Friday, speaking on condition of anonymity because the campaign hadn't authorized comment.


The sorting should be completed in the next four or five days, the campaign official said, declining to say whether the RNC was sending anyone to Alaska to help take inventory.


The RNC spent at least $150,000 on designer clothing, accessories and beauty services for Palin after she became John McCain's running mate in September. The spending included $75,062 at Neiman Marcus in Minneapolis; $49,425 at Saks Fifth Avenue; $9,447 at Macy's; and $789 at the luxury retailer Barneys New York. Some of the purchases were for Palin family members, such as $4,902 spent at upscale men's clothier Atelier and $92 at Pacifier, a Minneapolis baby boutique.


The McCain-Palin campaign said about a third of the clothing was returned immediately because it was the wrong size, or for other reasons. However, other purchases were apparently made after that, the campaign official said.


The spending drew a complaint against Palin and the RNC by a Washington government watchdog group. Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission accusing Palin and the Republican party of violating a federal ban on the use of campaign funds for personal expenses such as clothing.

The RNC didn't respond to repeated requests by The Associated Press for comment Friday.

It's routine for candidates to get professional hair and makeup services at campaign expense before they go on camera, but Palin's shopping spree at Republican donors' expense is unusual. It contrasted with the down-to-earth "hockey mom" image that Palin sought to craft and gave the campaign unwanted publicity in the form of newspaper headlines, Internet chatter and comedians' jokes.

FEC spokesman Bob Biersack declined to comment on the spending beyond confirming that the commission has received the watchdog group's complaint.

[Grapes]

The infighting going on in the Republican party is like sweet music to my ears.