Supreme Court refuses to hear appeal

[Mr Ektion]

... interesting topic...

why don't they create seats that are for people with larger asses. Like a fat person section. You would probably need to remove 3 slim seats to put in 2 fat seats. Rather than using 4 slim seats to accomodate 2 fat people.

Fatness happens for a variety of reasons. don't be so obtuse and try to grow some empathy. Regardless of how the person gets fat they need to fly too. Alex, you're just upset because you're not fat and you feel that a seat that could potentially be yours is going to someone who currently does not have enough space to fly comfortably.

[Alex]

Ninjaboy, kir mokum- Just because my stance on THIS PARTICULAR SUBJECT is for the corporations, doesn't mean I approve of any other decision benefiting them. That's such an idiotic assertion. I am not in favour of any government bail out of a corporation. If a corporation can't turn a profit, they deserve to go bankrupt.

Also I might be mistaken, but hasn't the Gov't only bailed out Air Canada, not West Jet?

[wishbone]

is anyone else now eating 3 cheeseburgers a day in order to get prime air travel seating?

more of me to love, air canada!

[Phrenetic]

get them a moo moo and a fatguy hat

[Alex]

Originally Posted by Mr Ektion

... interesting topic...

why don't they create seats that are for people with larger asses. Like a fat person section. You would probably need to remove 3 slim seats to put in 2 fat seats. Rather than using 4 slim seats to accomodate 2 fat people.

Fatness happens for a variety of reasons. don't be so obtuse and try to grow some empathy. Regardless of how the person gets fat they need to fly too. Alex, you're just upset because you're not fat and you feel that a seat that could potentially be yours is going to someone who currently does not have enough space to fly comfortably.

They have this section, it's called 1. Business Class or 2. First class.

if these people need a comfortable seat and are too fat, they can buck up and pay the extra $$$.

[NinjaBoy]

Originally Posted by Alex

As a consumer who travels by airlines semi-frequently, I have a huge issue with airlines comping a seat for these people. No doubt this costs airlines income, and that lost income will translate in to higher flight fares(and probably higher than the lost income to boot).

You can't just use the logic of 'who cares it's just a seat, they might have had a bad childhood let them have it'
That's bullshit.

As a taxpayer who is currently up to date with all my taxes, I have a huge issue with governments having to bail out these companies. No doubt this costs billions that could be spent in other areas, and translates to higher taxes(and probably high then the tax revenue from airlines to boot)

You can't just use the logic of 'who cares if the airlines constantly take money from the government, they are getting screwed over on the few seats they'll lose on this'
That's bullshit.

[Alex]

^ Read my posts, I am against them getting bailed out.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by Alex

Ninjaboy, kir mokum- Just because my stance on THIS PARTICULAR SUBJECT is for the corporations, doesn't mean I approve of any other decision benefiting them. That's such an idiotic assertion. I am not in favour of any government bail out of a corporation. If a corporation can't turn a profit, they deserve to go bankrupt.

Also I might be mistaken, but hasn't the Gov't only bailed out Air Canada, not West Jet?

Read all the posts before responding.

[NinjaBoy]

Originally Posted by Alex

Also I might be mistaken, but hasn't the Gov't only bailed out Air Canada, not West Jet?

Mulitple times. How about they take the money from the last 4 billion dollar bailout, and use that to supplement the lost income from this (although lets' be honest, it's not going to cost that much...)

Oh, also don't forget to count the tax cuts they get. And the ability to throw on fuel charges even though costs have gone down.

The point is, don't try to paint obese people as these horrible freeloaders, but forget the fact that the airlines themselves are freeloaders themselves.

[diva]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

So what if they have a thyroid problem?

a thyroid problem isn't going to slow your metabolism enough that you gain enough weight to take up two seats

[Disco_Whore]

It's odd that being overweight means you get two seats for the price of one, but if you have an infant it means you get one seat for the price of two.

[wishbone]

Originally Posted by Disco_Whore

It's odd that being overweight means you get two seats for the price of one, but if you have an infant it means you get one seat for the price of two.

I don't think infants are charged are they?

[Alex]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

Citation needed pls.

Also, a lot of the conclusions made here are based off correlational research, which can make no claims to causality, merely that trends are linked - is it the laziness that causes obesity or the obesity that causes laziness or is it that some other factor is causing both the obesity and the laziness?

Obesity - Causes, Symptoms, Treatment, Diagnosis - Weight Management - Body & Health

For the most part I'd presume laziness initially causes obesity, then the obesity increases laziness.

I know when my dad rescued me from my mom(my mom was not feeding me properly at all...) I was 5'8 230 pounds, 15 years old. My dad put me on a strict diet, and I started working out and playing sports again. By the end of grade 12, 3 years later, I was a little over 5'11, weighing 170 pounds, benching 300 pounds.

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by Alex

ebbomega, the leading contributor is consuming too many calories, not burning enough. Other factors contribute to obesity, and make it harder for individuals to lose weight. However, to be so severely obese that you CAN NOT FIT IN A SEAT ON AN AIRPLANE can be prevented by proper diet and exercise, regardless of outside factors.

Sorry, didn't realize you were such a kinesiology expert.

Oh, and btw, Mr. Biology, how many different factors did you take into the following trends:
- amount of calories taken in
- amount of calories burned
because there are plenty of conditions that affect one or both of these, many of which are still being discovered. To assume that we know anything for sure about any particular case of obesity is to go against the very principles of scientific research.

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by Alex

Obesity - Causes, Symptoms, Treatment, Diagnosis - Weight Management - Body & Health

For the most part I'd presume laziness initially causes obesity, then the obesity increases laziness.

The fact that you'd presume this without any viable research backing it up just illustrates the ignorance of your position.

[NinjaBoy]

Originally Posted by Alex

Obesity - Causes, Symptoms, Treatment, Diagnosis - Weight Management - Body & Health

For the most part I'd presume laziness initially causes obesity, then the obesity increases laziness.

I know when my dad rescued me from my mom(my mom was not feeding me properly at all...) I was 5'8 230 pounds, 15 years old. My dad put me on a strict diet, and I started working out and playing sports again. By the end of grade 12, 3 years later, I was a little over 5'11, weighing 170 pounds, benching 300 pounds.

Had you not been rescued from that situation, would you still have this opinion.

You seem to think it's everyone's fault that they are overweight, but when you were 15 you were fat as hell.

However, at 15 you have the ability to chose what you eat. But you didn't, you took what was provided to you.

Then when removed from that situation you were put on a diet by your dad, and exercised.

My point is this, you are quick to blame, but had someone else not stepped in, it appears you would currently be obese.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by NinjaBoy

Mulitple times. How about they take the money from the last 4 billion dollar bailout, and use that to supplement the lost income from this (although lets' be honest, it's not going to cost that much...)

Oh, also don't forget to count the tax cuts they get. And the ability to throw on fuel charges even though costs have gone down.

The point is, don't try to paint obese people as these horrible freeloaders, but forget the fact that the airlines themselves are freeloaders themselves.

Again I'll state I don't agree with the bail outs. Just because the government made a bad decision in the past, doesn't justify them making a bad decision in the future. I disagree with the financial bail out's air canada has repeatedly been given, and ALSO with imposing these costs on them.

Is it beyond you to comprehend just because I might share a stance with a certain entity regarding one matter, my stance could be opposite their's on another?

[Disco_Whore]

Originally Posted by wishbone

I don't think infants are charged are they?

Some airlines do/did. Air Canada's policy is free flights within Canada if they're under two and on your lap, and 10% of an adult ticket if it's international.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by Alex

Courtney honestly you need to realize individuals are responsible for their own actions. I feel really bad for people in other countries, but in Canada everyone has access to free health care and education until they reach adulthood. Right from the beginning schools teach proper nutrition and mandatory physical education. If parents aren't properly feeding their off spring(and their are no excuses as buying fruits and vegetables and fresh meat and breads/whole wheat pasta and rice's for the most part is the same price if not cheaper(usually) than buying pre packaged garbage) I believe said parents should be considered unfit to parent, and their children should be removed from them until they can provide a situation where the children eat properly and get enough physical exercise.

Again note a post earlier on the topic. I think Government should remove children from parents who are providing a toxic and unhealthy living situation. Raising obese children is toxic and unhealthy, and obesity creates a plethora of issues straining our health care system and draining millions upon millions of tax payer dollars.

[ebbomega]

Again, how are you going to measure such controls?

[Disco_Whore]

^While not all parents are superstars, removing a child from their parents can be more damaging than bad eating habits.







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[Alex]

If parents knew their children could be removed from them for bad eating habits, the problem would astronomically decrease.

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by Alex

If parents knew their children could be removed from them for bad eating habits, the problem would astronomically decrease.

Yeah, because foster homes are the safest place for a kid to develop.

Again, HOW THE HELL DO YOU MEASURE SOMETHING LIKE THIS?

[diva]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

The fact that you'd presume this without any viable research backing it up just illustrates the ignorance of your position.

How about simple logic?
It takes a 3500 calorie surplus for someone to gain a pound.

Some, in fact most, illnesses cause people to burn more calories. For example, burn victims need huge amounts of calories to compensate for their increase in metabolic demand.

For the illnesses that do the opposite, someone would have to be in negative calorie burning mode to pack on that much weight. If you just stayed in bed all day, you burn about 1800 calories. This is using the 12 calories per pound per 24 hours rule.

So you do the math. What you're trying to argue is very far fetched.

Most of the research being done about obesity is geared towards finding out what makes some people not know when to stop eating so much. I'm almost certain that scientists figured out this calorie in/calorie out problem a long time ago.

[Mr Ektion]

Alex, you're totally retarded. I guess you've never placed yourself in another's shoes.

Life isn't perfect for a majority of us. Some parents have problems with their jobs making them unfit to parent. But that doesn't mean their child should be taken away

Some people can't find the time to excercise because they work so often. They get fat because they sit at a desk job for 10 hours a day and then go to their second job to save up so that their kid can go to school, or so that they can pay off debt.

Some people are fat because they are unhappy. Mostly to do with culture. A person can be unhappy because they feel ugly due to the status quo that people like you, alex, ingrain into them with stupid opinions like "fat people who can't fly first class deserve to be uncomfortable".

Stop being a dick. You might accidentally influence someone, which would result in more assholes in the world.