Quebec and Labrador

[Alex]

Assembly of First Nation's claim the Provincial and Federal government's have failed them. They believe they have the right to govern their own lands and to self determination. They are set to declare 'independence'.

Great, I hope they do. I also hope our federal government has some stones, and stands up to these rebels, sending in the military and crushing their movement. Quebec Provincial Police have proven they aren't racist in the past by arresting native protesters for the crimes they commit. Most other province's have appeased criminal activities of native groups(I really wonder what the outcome would be if a group of white males set up a road block and assaulted innocent citizens to protest an issue)

I expect to hear much outrage from the political correct morons. Before you respond, ask yourself what your opinion would be if a group of white male land owners in Alberta didn't like the way the government was handling issues and decided to declare independence.

[NinjaBoy]

Originally Posted by Alex

Before you respond, ask yourself what your opinion would be if a group of white male land owners in Alberta didn't like the way the government was handling issues and decided to declare independence.

Using that as your analogy pretty much sums up the fact you have no grasp of the issues surrounding Native land claims.

Thread done.

[ebbomega]

I love how, by your logic, being against national balkanisation automatically makes you a racist.

I wouldn't exactly support the west wanting to secede either. At least not until the US balkanises. Canada breaking up would just speed up the process of annexation, which would not be the type of North American Union I'd support.

[NinjaBoy]

I know it's been said before. But link an article.

And don't refer to anyone who can argue their point against your as a "moron". You've pretty much stated at this point you have no idea how to argue your point.

[Alex]

Native land claims are bullshit. They should get nothing, the gravy train needs to stop. The mere fact that the average native enjoys an annual income of more than 12000 when living OFF reserves compared to on reserves, not to mention the astronomical rates of suicide, violent crime, drug and alcohol abuse, unemployment, disease such as AIDS etc etc should be clear indicators that reserves DON'T WORK.

The only way the native population is going to succeed as a whole and work their way up to Canadian standards, is by integrating in to the rest of society, and functioning as equal citizens. A famous saying goes along the lines of 'Their is no such thing as a free lunch'. Native's in this nation have never had to learn this lesson. The more we give them, the more we appease them, the less they will work. Why work when you are given everything? Their is no incentive.

Also before you go in to how we wronged them, leave out the 'we'. My family isn't of British descent, and wasn't here when all the 'oppression' began. In fact my family is of Ukrainian descent, and if anything our 'people' as a whole were screwed when we came to Canada. Ukrainians were recruited to fill up the Prairie provinces and were sold land near Native reserves, the native's often would attack communities that had no clue of pact issues.

Not to mention the fact that what 'happened to the Natives' was no worse than what has happened to nearly EVERY race at one point or another throughout history. Get over it.

[b0ld]

Originally Posted by Alex

. Quebec Provincial Police have proven they aren't racist in the past by arresting native protesters for the crimes they commit. Most other province's have appeased criminal activities of native groups(I really wonder what the outcome would be if a group of white males set up a road block and assaulted innocent citizens to protest an issue)
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Crimes that native protesters commit? Are you out of your fuckin mind... You know nothing about the history of this country do you...

[Alex]

You don't call barricading highways or railways crimes?

[mapleleaf4ever]

Ooh! This thread could get good!

*tosses the popcorn in the microwave*

[b0ld]

Originally Posted by Alex

You don't call barricading highways or railways crimes?

You don't call scalping... raping women ... dividing families... building condo's or highways over sacred burial grounds crimes?.

Do you have ANY idea what the french and british did to the natives in this country?.

[Alex]

Yes I do. Get over it. It's not exactly like it was the first time a race has been oppressed. Living in the past and resenting actions of PAST GENERATIONS will only continue the current cycle, which isn't helping anyone.

[robyn]

Originally Posted by Alex

Ukrainians were recruited to fill up the Prairie provinces and were sold land near Native reserves, the native's often would attack communities that had no clue of pact issues.

sweet i wonder where they got all that cheap land from

[Alex]

Quebec, Labrador natives to declare unilateral sovereignty over their territory

hey bold, not to mention past crimes don't justify current ones. The citizens native protesters hold hostage with their protests had nothing to do with 'scalping or raping' 100 years ago.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by robyn

sweet i wonder where they got all that cheap land from

The Canadian Government, who had 'bought' it from the Natives. My point was the Natives retalliated against the wrong group, a group ignorant of what had happened, and if anything also a victim(at the time).

[b0ld]

Originally Posted by Alex

Yes I do. Get over it. It's not exactly like it was the first time a race has been oppressed. Living in the past and resenting actions of PAST GENERATIONS will only continue the current cycle, which isn't helping anyone.

Thats like telling african american's and/or members and leaders of the civil rights movement in the united states to "get over it". I guess in your eye's slavery was perfectly fine.... Your a sick twisted individual.

[NinjaBoy]

Originally Posted by Alex

Quebec, Labrador natives to declare unilateral sovereignty over their territory

hey bold, not to mention past crimes don't justify current ones. The citizens native protesters hold hostage with their protests had nothing to do with 'scalping or raping' 100 years ago.

A land is stolen, people are killed... they barricade a road to protest and declare soverenty over the territory they were given...

those bastards.

[NinjaBoy]

Also, I hope you realize this (although your first post about "independence" and "military action" shows you don't), this is about self government within territories they were granted. IE - The ability to pass bylaws, and taxes...

Not declare independence from Canada...

[Alex]

Originally Posted by b0ld

Thats like telling african american's and/or members and leaders of the civil rights movement in the united states to "get over it". I guess in your eye's slavery was perfectly fine.... Your a sick twisted individual.

Did I say it was perfectly fine? No, I said it happened, get over it. The past is the past, living in it will only breed more contempt and hatred. I have nothing against Natives, one of my best friends and my ROOM MATE is native(FYI even though he has the right to free education with an allowance for going to school, his dad is paying his tuition and he runs his own business for money. Both him and his dad(who is a multi millionaire through hard work, btw) find the current situation with natives in the nation despicable, and believe they should be permanently cut off from all the extras/privileges they enjoy) I believe that the only way to save the native population from the poor quality of life(on average) they currently enjoy is to stop all the special treatment they recieve.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by NinjaBoy

Also, I hope you realize this (although your first post about "independence" and "military action" shows you don't), this is about self government within territories they were granted. IE - The ability to pass bylaws, and taxes...

Not declare independence from Canada...

"The Quebec and Labrador Assembly of First Nations said yesterday the provincial and federal governments have failed them and they intend to unilaterally declare their sovereignty. Ghislain Picard, who heads the regional chapter, said the native chiefs gathered for a meeting this week have adopted a declaration to set in motion a process to "strengthen the affirmation of their sovereignty over the territory." Over the next three months, First Nations leaders in Quebec and Labrador will come up with a concrete plan to implement the right of aboriginal peoples to self-determination and self-governance."

The provincial and federal government's have failed them, they intend to declare their sovereignty

sov⋅er⋅eign⋅ty

   /ˈsɒvrɪnti, ˈsʌv-/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [sov-rin-tee, suhv-] Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural -ties. 1. the quality or state of being sovereign. 2. the status, dominion, power, or authority of a sovereign; royalty. 3. supreme and independent power or authority in government as possessed or claimed by a state or community. 4. rightful status, independence, or prerogative. 5. a sovereign state, community, or political unit.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by NinjaBoy

A land is stolen, people are killed... they barricade a road to protest and declare soverenty over the territory they were given...

those bastards.

I bet you support terrorists in other places in the globe for similiar reasons.

[miss.myra]

partisan rage strikes again! omg everyone go kill the nisga'a!

[NinjaBoy]

Originally Posted by Alex

"The Quebec and Labrador Assembly of First Nations said yesterday the provincial and federal governments have failed them and they intend to unilaterally declare their sovereignty. Ghislain Picard, who heads the regional chapter, said the native chiefs gathered for a meeting this week have adopted a declaration to set in motion a process to "strengthen the affirmation of their sovereignty over the territory." Over the next three months, First Nations leaders in Quebec and Labrador will come up with a concrete plan to implement the right of aboriginal peoples to self-determination and self-governance."

The provincial and federal government's have failed them, they intend to declare their sovereignty

sov⋅er⋅eign⋅ty

   /ˈsɒvrɪnti, ˈsʌv-/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [sov-rin-tee, suhv-] Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural -ties. 1. the quality or state of being sovereign. 2. the status, dominion, power, or authority of a sovereign; royalty. 3. supreme and independent power or authority in government as possessed or claimed by a state or community. 4. rightful status, independence, or prerogative. 5. a sovereign state, community, or political unit.

Thank god I don't get my political knowledge from the dictionary...

And even if I did I would be able to read: 3. supreme and independent power or authority in government as possessed or claimed by a state or community.

This is sovereignty over a community. It basically means Canada wouldn't be able to build roads through without approval, it would be self policed.

[miss.myra]

Originally Posted by Alex

I expect to hear much outrage from the political correct morons. Before you respond, ask yourself what your opinion would be if a group of white male land owners in Alberta didn't like the way the government was handling issues and decided to declare independence.

correct me if I'm wrong, but the FLQ were a bunch of white dudes right? do they not count because they spoke french?

[Alex]

Of course, they want to make all the shots on their own community, but don't want to lose the huge government funding and freebies they receive. They want to have their cake and eat it too.

[hardstylin]

I might be jumping the gun a little, ill jump back in with some more around page 8.

[fritz]

I'm hungry.