does anyone feel that international students have lowered or compromised standards?

[shogun rua]

no racism, but I sorta feel this is the case for me right now.

bear in mind as a BC boy i've been surrounded with international students my whole life and never noticed anything untoward. Now suddenly as i'm doing directed studies with a group of people where they're all international students and they seem to not be able to express themselves or fully understand me it seems i am truly fucked and that i'll have to potentially carry this whole thing.

Other ways things have been affected is in classes where class discussion is essential and with the ratio of international students as high as it is, discussion is usually kept to a bear minimum, or the same 3 or 4 people do all the talking again and again.

discuss.

[dabbler]

Is that like, "no homo" before you do something gay?

[vaporize]

white men can't understand what it feels like living in another world

[NinjaBoy]

Originally Posted by shogun rua

no racism, but I sorta feel this is the case for me right now.

bear in mind as a BC boy i've been surrounded with international students my whole life and never noticed anything untoward. Now suddenly as i'm doing directed studies with a group of people where they're all international students and they seem to not be able to express themselves or fully understand me it seems i am truly fucked and that i'll have to potentially carry this whole thing.

Other ways things have been affected is in classes where class discussion is essential and with the ratio of international students as high as it is, discussion is usually kept to a bear minimum, or the same 3 or 4 people do all the talking again and again.

discuss.

This is the case in community colleges and other programs that don't really have entrance requirements.

The students are basically sent to Vancouver with the hopes it will shape them up and teach them proper English. The colleges love this since they charge international students about twice the tuition as a BC student. The ones with higher grades and excellent English comprehension are generally in places like UBC/SFU.

I ran into this when I took a class in Kwantlen when I was younger, but when I entered my actual program at BCIT, it wasn't the case.

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by dabbler

Is that like, "no homo" before you do something gay?

Hah.

"Yo, what's up with Asian drivers, no honky"

[shogun rua]

Originally Posted by NinjaBoy

This is the case in community colleges and other programs that don't really have entrance requirements.

The students are basically sent to Vancouver with the hopes it will shape them up and teach them proper English. The colleges love this since they charge international students about twice the tuition as a BC student. The ones with higher grades and excellent English comprehension are generally in places like UBC/SFU.

I ran into this when I took a class in Kwantlen when I was younger, but when I entered my actual program at BCIT, it wasn't the case.

I'm at BCIT.

I dunno, i heard a lot of corruption takes place and the TOEFL is not all that it's cracked up to be, whereby they either cheat to get passed it or they take classes that only teach you how to pass the test and not much more. Even then, one's motivation is much more important and indicative of your chances of success than some stupid paper and pen test.

anyway my beef isn't with the international students but rather this is just an emblematic example of how bureaucratic/corrupt and out of touch institutional education has become.

I remember going abroad to Vietnam and our cyclo driver was better at english than the 'university student' we hired. go figure.

I'm sure in the past international students were of a different quality, because I talk to my group and they're pretty upfront that they're here to earn a 'western' degree just to pad their resume back home. they have their own cliques and pocket translators and it's not extremely crucial nor are they particularily interested in soaking up Canadian culture and English as a whole.

If you had people coming here because they grew up watching American movies or whatever and were enamored with that, I think things would be totally different.

[shogun rua]

Originally Posted by NinjaBoy

This is the case in community colleges and other programs that don't really have entrance requirements.

The students are basically sent to Vancouver with the hopes it will shape them up and teach them proper English. The colleges love this since they charge international students about twice the tuition as a BC student. The ones with higher grades and excellent English comprehension are generally in places like UBC/SFU.

I ran into this when I took a class in Kwantlen when I was younger, but when I entered my actual program at BCIT, it wasn't the case.

BTW, this is also the case at the big schools too, i.e. SFU and UBC.

They charge international students triple the amount.

[dabbler]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

Hah.

"Yo, what's up with Asian drivers, no honky"

LOL x 2 cuz of the pun.

'no honky' has a good ring to it!

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by shogun rua

no racism, but I sorta feel this is the case for me right now.

bear in mind as a BC boy i've been surrounded with international students my whole life and never noticed anything untoward. Now suddenly as i'm doing directed studies with a group of people where they're all international students and they seem to not be able to express themselves or fully understand me it seems i am truly fucked and that i'll have to potentially carry this whole thing.

Other ways things have been affected is in classes where class discussion is essential and with the ratio of international students as high as it is, discussion is usually kept to a bear minimum, or the same 3 or 4 people do all the talking again and again.

discuss.

Its likely because you go to a off-brand, no name school, full of C average students who barely made it out of highschool and have no real academic or itellectual potential. I've notice that your critical thiking skills ad sentance stucture suggests that you fall into that category.

I assure you that language barriers aside the international students I have met were on-point in their academic abilities. Also I find it comical that you suggest that British Columbian/Canadian standards of education are that high. The best international students go to the Ivy League&MIT.

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by NinjaBoy

This is the case in community colleges and other programs that don't really have entrance requirements.

The students are basically sent to Vancouver with the hopes it will shape them up and teach them proper English. The colleges love this since they charge international students about twice the tuition as a BC student. The ones with higher grades and excellent English comprehension are generally in places like UBC/SFU.

I ran into this when I took a class in Kwantlen when I was younger, but when I entered my actual program at BCIT, it wasn't the case.

the tuition for ex-pat students is more like 4-5 times more.

[SEAN!]

BCIT is a polytechnic school, if you want to bang nails into wood for a living then its fantastic. It certainly is not an academic powerhouse even relative to UBC or SFU.

[shogun rua]

Originally Posted by SEAN!

Its likely because you go to a off-brand, no name school, full of C average students who barely made it out of highschool and have no real academic or itellectual potential. I've notice that your critical thiking skills ad sentance stucture suggests that you fall into that category.

I assure you that language barriers aside the international students I have met were on-point in their academic abilities. Also I find it comical that you suggest that British Columbian/Canadian standards of education are that high. The best international students go to the Ivy League&MIT.

hey my favorite groupie is back

[mojo]

The only experience I have had is at an off-brand, no-name school, though I have to say that the abilities of other students have zero relevance in my academic success, be they domestic or international.

Ultimately whether or not you learn or achieve anything is in your own hands. Blaming your shortcomings on other students is fucking ridiculous.

[shogun rua]

Originally Posted by mojo

The only experience I have had is at an off-brand, no-name school, though I have to say that the abilities of other students have zero relevance in my academic success, be they domestic or international.

Ultimately whether or not you learn or achieve anything is in your own hands. Blaming your shortcomings on other students is fucking ridiculous.

who's to blame for your reading comprehension?

[laska]

If I was in charge, International Student application would be limited to attractive, lightly muscled Latino men, 19-25, who happen to need private tutoring in whatever subject I excel at.

[laska]

"Senorita Laska, I no understand. Please you can show me what means this verb 'to make love'?"

[stephen_c]

Originally Posted by laska

If I was in charge, International Student application would be limited to attractive, lightly muscled Latino men, 19-25, who happen to need private tutoring in whatever subject I excel at.

what the hell is that?

[decypher]

what do you think is keeping the Universities running? It sure isn't the government.

[vaporize]

need moar japanese girls

[NinjaBoy]

Originally Posted by SEAN!

BCIT is a polytechnic school, if you want to bang nails into wood for a living then its fantastic.

That's a little narrow view. I have a degree in business from them. And their marketing/design program has a pretty good rep.

This is sort of like saying UBC is only for doctors/art students/english lit majors.

['Los]

Originally Posted by decypher

what do you think is keeping the Universities running? It sure isn't the government.

End thread here.

[ebbomega]

What I find it interesting is that it's by no means limited to international people. There are people only willing to do the bare minimum in every culture.

[Gusto]

Originally Posted by laska

"Senorita Laska, I no understand. Please you can show me what means this verb 'to make love'?"

and then what happened? i wanna hear this. keep it sexy.

[rawb]

Barista Certification Institute of Technology

[P.A.R.T.Y]

When I used to teach at BCC, my students would show up late with wicked hangovers. They'd spend the rest of the day flirting with eachother. Eg. Joanna was a Mexican student who use to wear tube tops to class and flirt with ultra-conservative Korean guys. Also, it's virtually impossible to fail at these schools.
The Japanese students were usually a little more diligent, but very flirty as well. There were no rules about fraternizing with students, so I often took advatage of this situation.