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Feb 06, 03
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Shit that regards YOU
Alright guys, i stumbled across a few things that you should probably check out.
for starters, www.voteyesfebruary22.com In regards to all of you who are against the olympics, WAKE UP! you shouldn't be indifferent to it! you should care! The prices of the ski hills won't change until AFTER the olympics in 7 years, and by then, the economy will change completely. Do you realize that the government is spending millions of dollars to create all kinds of bells and whistles in vancouver, and by spending that money, THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS of jobs are being created. The hospitality industry will boom, smaller sporting sectors in vancouver will blow up, during the olympics every single restaurant will have a much higher yield than the year before. as an example, an event of world proportion like expo 86 (which was hosted in vancouver) totally helped out the vancouver economy. Our tourism and general economy improved an enormous 56% during the 10 years after expo. That's a huge improvement over the 10 years BEFORE expo 86. Also, when the olympics arrive, we will have the hundreds of the best athletes from around the world who will be roaming through our city. who'd give up the opportunity to show that vancouver is one of the best and most beautiful cities in the world?! all we need is the chance in the lime light. anyways, go check out this site. the only thing stopping us from getting this huge event to come to vancouver is a vote. visit the website www.voteyesfebruary22.com and hopefully employ current vancouverites who possibly need jobs. I dunno. that seems to be something that can help out vancouver directly. Also, check out the new website www.ionmagazine.ca! It's for a new Vancouver based Upscale fashion magazine. i'm not going to talk it up, but a lot of input would be dope just to see how we can improve it for your use. Thanks guys. 
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Feb 06, 03
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^^Yeah that seems pretty unfair. :(
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Feb 06, 03
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im pretty sure my apartment will be the site of more crowded streets, traffic jams, bomb threats, security stops, drunk bobsledders and various other inconveniences compared to say, oh, richmond, surrey or north van.
that being said, im probably voting no, though im quite open to vote bribing since this is an issue i don't have strong feelings one way or another on.
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Feb 07, 03
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Yeah, you're absolutely right. all 3 of you.
It's unfortunate that the olympic bid is restricted to those who live in vancouver. You're right, there are going to be a lot of crowded streets, traffic jams, bomb threats, security stops, drunk bobsledders and various other inconveniences. Go ahead. Vote no. I guess i was wrong to think that opening thousands of new available jobs over the next 7 years for vancouverites could be justified by 14 days of street celebration, and festivities. Sorry man. I guess i was being a selfish ass. I hope those 14 days that you are voting no to helps you sleep better at night. And yes, kraig, my bad for working too much. Don't worry, we'll be partying it up at KISS, lets go grab a few beers before the party and totter in all drunk and shit. dope dope.
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Feb 07, 03
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haha but yeah i agree it is unfair. i dunno whether i'm still gonna be here in the next 7 years but i'm voting a big yes because this city is only gonna get richer and its boring nightlife can only get better.... i know theres all this fuss about the homeless people and all that but i'm gonna leave that to Sean! to comment about
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Feb 07, 03
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it seems pretty bunk that 14 days 7 years down the line is stopping wordboy from voting yes, having the olympics here is gonna help vancouver so much and we dont have to pay it by ourselves were the ones getting all the benefit and the rest of canada is paying.
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Feb 07, 03
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im just going to copy this verbatim from what i said posted in the other thread, because i see arguing with you would be fruitless, you're going on promotional material and not facts. ____ http://www.sltrib.com/2002/may/05142002/utah/736823.htm The Salt Lake Tribune SLC Suffers From Post-Oly Hangover "...rather than blasting off, Utah's economy has fizzled. According to recently released figures, passengers deplaning at Salt Lake City International Airport during February declined, compared with the year before. Job growth in the state decreased during the Olympic period, despite the 1,000 positions created by the Salt Lake Organizing Committee. And, preliminary figures show that the SLOC surplus -- which the state would share -- will be between $30 million and $40 million, nothing like the $80 million some people had projected. Perhaps the most painful aspect of Salt Lake's Olympic hangover has been the lack of economic punch for the city, especially the depressed downtown. As expected, business owners reported that February was a windfall month. The citywide hotel occupancy rate was 84 percent, compared with 66 percent in the same month the year before. State and local sales tax revenue increased 9 percent in February, and virtually every storefront for blocks along Main Street was leased. But since the Games, "Space Available" signs have popped up along the once-bustling street. Suburban dwellers who surprised themselves by bringing their families into town at night during the Games have gone back to staying home. "
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Feb 07, 03
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LOL...I don't care either way....don't even know if I'll bother to vote....now that I'm finally old enough to vote I probably should but I really don't care either way.....besides it's not for another 7 yrs...if I vote I may live to regret it...*smiles*
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Feb 07, 03
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im not down with bigger issues like cutting major highways through old growth forests and the suburban area i grew up. im not down with building stadiums nd highways and skytrains for athletes while single mothers work two jobs to feed thier kids. the olympics cause two stages of growth. one is the immediate growth during the 14 days of the games. the second is the *potential* growth of the city afterwards, which is much slower, if at all. you have to build for the games, but then the construction and money spent has to be justified for post games, when your population goes back to normal. i just don't see where the huge post-olympic economic gains are going to come from. were going to have this huge infastructure that will cost billions of dollars (new skytrain, new highway...) and it's all going to be needed to be paid for somehow. i'd rather spend money on our current city's infastructure to make it great. imagine if we had all the engineering minds working on the olympic bid working on developing vancouver, just for vancouver. the outcome would be amazing.
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Feb 07, 03
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and you make a a really good point
from what ive heard alot of the buildings, centres, highways, and whatever else will be payed by the federal government, and otherwise we wouldnt see a penney of this money, theyre not gonna give us shit to help out whatever we need if we dont get the olympics, so why not do it, myself i think that im gonna be here in 2010 and i think it would be fun, either way were gonna be paying taxes for the rest of our lives anyways,
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Feb 07, 03
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i think the voting should be open to all people in the lower mainland
just because the olympics are gonna be held in van doesnt mean that its gonna effect people just living there there are people that work in van that live elsewhere...there are people that live in van now but might not when the olympics are here and vice versa its stupid i wanna vote damnit
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Feb 07, 03
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i think the whole lower mainland should be able to vote...and what about whistler?? don't they get to vote....jeeeeeeeeeese silly silly politics
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Feb 07, 03
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I think that voting should be open to everyone that has to pay taxes for it to be here!!! It's not just our $$ thats being spent it's everyones!!
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Feb 07, 03
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Voting should be open to anyone one in the lower main land.. imo.. Just because it's being held in Vancouver does NOT mean it wont affect the people in the surrounding cities. For all the people that do end up moving to vancouver and so on, not all are gonna wanna live in the city, some will want to live in to boonies.. oi..
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Feb 07, 03
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Um.
People in Vancouver can only vote in the plebiscite because Larry Campbell campaigned on the grounds that he would like to hold one. If you want to bitch and moan about how it's so unfair residents of suburbs don't have a say, then by all means nothing is stopping you from contacting your mayor, or even the premier. talk-action=0. M
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Feb 07, 03
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OK, the reason that there is a vote in the first place (AND why it is limited to Vancouver) is because Larry Campbell made the promise to hold a vote (later turned into a non-binding plebicite) during his campaign to be the Mayor for Vancouver. No other mayorial candidate in any other municipality made that promise (or at least made the promise and then won). If you wanted a vote in your neck of the woods then you should have raised the issue during the municipal election campaigns in your area. Evidently not enough people in other municipalities cared enough to turn it into a major issue, hence no vote anywhere else.
In terms of allowing everyone whose tax dollars will be involved vote, since the Canadian government will be paying for parts of the event, that would require a nationwide vote - not a realistic option (imo). That said, Vancouver is already legally obligated to host the games should they be awarded to us, although it is doubtful that tey would be awarded after a large negative vote. Personally I'll be voting Yes because: - Economic impact, while uncertain, could potentially be very large; on the one hand is the Salt Lake city example above (assuming accuracy), but on the other is that the city really seemed to grow as a result of Expo '86. Personally I think it's tough to compare two different cities on something like this, especially years in the future, but I prefer to rely more on our past history than another city's experience - I don't think the money being spent would otherwise go to other "higher priority" areas. Besides, whose priorities are being served? Is it a higher priority to put more in health care for double digit wage increases, or health care to improve/prolong the lives of the elderly for a short time, or education to better the chances of the young with their whole lives ahead of them, or providing shelter for those without? Overall, if health care is our #1 priority, should we divert money from 'low-priority' areas, like amateur sports, as well as the Olympics? Maybe every citizen's discretionary income should be re-directed to researching the cure for cancer? After all, what's more important, your ability to go to a rave, buy a DVD player, etc or the pain and death and suffering from a terrible disease? The issue of priorities opens up (imo) a whole can 'o worms, and I think potential economic growth is valid enough to be acceptable. - I resent the fact the people are using it as a referendum on the provincial govenment's actions and performance, and my Yes vote is in protest to such actions. They are not the same levels of government - you may as well be voting No to protest corruption in the Chretien government. Wow, this is long...prob what happens when you go back and forth over the course of work...lol.
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Feb 07, 03
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i think it's fucking retarded that only people in van can place a vote
what about all the other people in the lower mainland?? what about all the little towns? sure everything GREAT will happen to vancouver so of COURSE they are going to vote FOR it... all the crack heads and drugs and garbage are going to get pushed all the fuck way out to maple ridge/pitt meadows and coquitlam...these people should get just as much right if not more to vote my pretty little town where i grew up my whole life is going to turn into a absolute DUMP
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