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Mar 11, 03
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your thoughts on downloading and filesharing...
ok so i have to write a letter to denise donlon, the president of sony music canada, and its about downloading music, and filesharing...
i want some other opinions from other people to throw into this letter... do u think its killing the industry?? do u think the record companies should embarce the internet and how do u think they could do it? any opinions would be cool... dont worry i wont take credit for them, i will say that they are someone else's im practically done writing my letter, i just wanna see what some other people think about this. 
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Mar 11, 03
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I think true fans will actually go out and buy the record and support the artists' work.
But many people just don't have enough money and result to downloading and burning because of the continuously expanding technology we have access to.
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Mar 11, 03
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Re: Lovecat's comment - Fair enough, but even artists must eat. If no-one pays for their work, does that not have the possiblity of cheapening their artistic medium as a whole?
Just some thought in response. That said, though, current music industry compensation is terribly misconstructed, so that many music royalties don't find their way into the hands of the artists they should be compensating. Plus, music downloading can be used as a 'marketing tool' to increase an artist's exposure. Bottom line - music downloading can be set up to be a profitable, win-win-win situation for consumers, artists and corporations - either they simply haven't figured out how, or they have and lack the guts to implement it.
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Mar 11, 03
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oVerall... Yes
Let’s open up a can of worms. Since the dawn of the MP3 war there's been a major change in the entire industry. From the perspective of a dj I can say I’ve noticed some major waves. Take for example this new trend of ripping and sharing where you don't need to buy the entire cd to enjoy the song you want. How many cd's did you buy pre-1998 where the cd had 1 good song? I can recall quite a few old cd's I have here that I would consider heaps of useless plastic. Hell I don't even have the slightest urge to bring them out and dust them off. Do I want to listen to the same artist for 16 tracks all the time? No. The fact I can rip the tunes and burn them onto a combo disc is very inviting. While I’m at it why don't I check and see if I can download their new song? It's this constant thought process that makes us question spending $20 on a cd. Does the impressive case and 3-page color booklet to justify the price? Makes you wonder. People are losing $$. There's an alarming amount of peeps in the industry that are losing $. I would say mainly the large companies who have been pumping out crap for years and were getting away with it. Ultimately the artists see a drop in sales. Does it affect the big name POP stars? Tuff one. Does it effect the one hit wonders? The support is still there because some people still have values and not everyone has a home computer. If every single person on this earth had a computer where would we be? Would you buy any music period? Would you buy DVD’s if you could download them and burn them with ease? Nowadays with people getting laid off, taxed heavy, pay parking, GST, PST, ATM fees, CPP, MSP, LTD, EI, FED tax, $1/litre gas, 18.9L FRESH spring water @ $9, and having to pay for almost everything and everyone they enjoy a free ride when it comes along. Take for example Napster. This was a downloader’s paradise. Add up all the tunes on your home computer, at a rate of $10-$15 per item and how much do you owe the industry? How else would you have acquired the tunes you have? Buy them? Borrow them? Anyone with a pc is a potential culprit. Moving on. Music will always keep being produced. Dj's will still spin tunes (I say 15-20 years easily) and artists will keep performing live for their fans. The question is..... Can we reverse the changes that have already been made? That's the latest dilemma. How many people can we put behind bars? How many people can we fine? There will always be a nice loophole.
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Mar 11, 03
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cd sales are down
concert sales are way up Part of maintaining of successful business is learning and accepting new technowledgies. AGROout
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Mar 11, 03
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I think file-sharings really hurting the industry. I mean, fuck I dont care if the record label owners and major popstars lose a couple million dollars, but the fact is that the substantial loss in revenue for record labels means that they're less likely to take a chance on new talent, so for those who wanna break into the industry, file-sharings making it increasingly difficult.
However, file-sharings not going to go away, so its going to be pretty interesting to see how the music industry ends up adapting.
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Mar 11, 03
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i think downloading/filesharing is obviously way more convienent for us people. and it's cool cause i can just burn a cd without going to buy it
.....buuuttttttt.... if i were an artist....i would most likely want people to buy my c.d's and other work Quote:
this is a very interesting point!
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Mar 11, 03
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I agree with what everyone has to say about this.
I think it is definitly killing the industry...but what can you do? Its always going to be there..nothing u can do to stop it. As an artist you must accept that or else your just gonna be mad about something you can never change. Just hope that ppl will buy a cd or two of yours and be happy with that.
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Mar 11, 03
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i think its good because i dont have to go out and buy an album and find out the whole thing is shit and theres only one good song on it, but with mp3's we can just listen to that one good song without payin 15 bucks for 18 songs you're not gonna listen to. i think this is just makin the artists work harder tryin to put out albums that are worth buying, a lot of artists are startin to put special offers in thier cds like stickers and dvd's hopin that its gonna make us buy them. i do think file sharing is wrong but yet i still use it cause i dont have that extra 18 bucks to go buy a cd
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Mar 11, 03
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the record people arent really losing THAT much money, not as much as they would have you beleive anyways.
what they're mostly losing money on....is 75% of the new artists that they bring up that don't make the grade....that dont even break even on their first cd. wanna know how record labels can start making some more money? sign artists with TALENT. its something thats been lacking for so long. there are too many one hit wonders out there...too many big boobed, blonde bombeshells that are getting by solely on their looks and the fact that they sound not so bad after being digitally remastered. people are getting careful with their money nowadays...they dont wanna spend 20 bucks on a cd that's only gonna have one or two good songs on it, and then spend time collecting dust...especially when they can spend that money on a compalation cd thats gonna have that song or those songs on it a couple of months later. the record companies are losing some money because they arent properly emracing the internet, they're too scared too hire people ...especially young bright up and coming people to do research and to come up with good ideas and good ways of adverting people away from the net and back into record stores...they're afraid that to the higher up suits...they're gonna look like they arent doing anything. they're also afraid of change...they've been doing business the same way for years and years...and they're still able to go out and buy the newest bmw...so why bother changing? one bad thing that i think the record companies have done...is whine about how they're losing money, i think they thought that by whining, they would get people to feel sorry for them, and get them back into the record stores...you know what??!?! that totally back fired on them. ... one more thing...record labels like sony are crying that they're losing money... they're still making money.,...after all it's sony thats coming out with the mp3 players and such....pretty much saying "hey burn music" they just arent making the money in record sales... most artists arent really effected by downloading, they would rather have people do it, because its one of the best ways of marketing for them...they dont have to do any of hte work, and their stuff is getting out there. they make more money off touring then they would off the sale of a cd anyways.... and they still get roalties from radio airplay etc etc. as for the tac on the blank cds...they're still trying to figure out how to distribute that extra money... the latest thought....give the biggest chunk of it...to the bands that are doing the best right now... not fair...wanna know why?!?! most of the stuff that is being downloadng is NOT from the top ten artists....
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Mar 11, 03
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i think piracy has gotten too mainstream. Back a few years ago, before napster even, the scene was better.
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Mar 11, 03
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Business-man Master P is someone that many artists should follow. Get your own label and produce and distrubute cds yourself. There for all the profits go back to you, no middle man to pay. As for d/ling itself, genres like country, hip-hop and pop are probaly losing lots of money. But when it comes to electronica. I think w/o d/ling mp3s electronica wouldn't be as big as it is now. Especially in countries in the North America. There is so much breaks that I would have never heard if I didnt have the net. Because I hear the tracks, I go and buy the vinyl. Honestly I hope Final Scratch does not succed, because it will turn into other genres. :( ~Tim
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Mar 11, 03
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it's an amazing way to get porn. and the odd MP3.
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Mar 11, 03
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I think the record companies are trying to hard to get rid of the world of mp3 filesharing. They can't get rid of it. Instead they should embrace it, and work with it! Stop whining about how their loosing money. When it comes to companies like sony, they're producing half the stuff needed to pirate music. Mp3's players, cd-r's, cd burners..
Sure, there are some artists loosing money. But I don't solely blame it on filesharing, some of them just straight up suck. They'll have a good song or two, and the rest of are bad. Why would anyone wanna pay $20 for a cd with like 2 good songs?? I think filesharing is good though because it gives smaller artists some extra exposure they might not be able to get normally. It's free for them.. so it works. I just think that the record companies need to stop trying so hard to put an end to filesharing, and instead work with it instead.
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Mar 12, 03
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the new rapper star 50 cent got big by putting track after track on the net and file sharing programs, there's also TONS of artists that I'vefirst heard about on the net and file sharing programs that I would kill to see live DJ Shadow, z trips the avalanches....if it wasn't for file sharing programs I may not of even apriecited any of these peeps The great thing about file sharing is that it gives people a chance so listen and become a fan of artists that they wouldn't likely drop $20.00 on cd due to the fact they've never heard them or only heard one song AGROout
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Mar 12, 03
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So since I'm forced to pay a fine on this crime, under the assumption that I'm going to do it, I have every right to do it... And krisimata, don't put so much effort into writing a letter to someone who dosen't care, and is simply going to respond with a form letter. And BTW, stop saying the record companies should embrace it. How do you expect them to embrace it? Pay per play perhaps? Why would anyone pay?
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Mar 12, 03
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it isn't a crime to make money. it isn't a crime to make lots of money. justifying huge losses to a company just because they can "still go out and buy bmw's" does not make it right. please tell me, how do these music companies sign people with talent? is there some magical talent registry that just sits and waits around for people to sign them? so you think there's some sony exec sitting around going.. 'stop signing people with talent..' where do you come up with this shit? there are hundreds of very talented people who dont sell many records. prince is a musical genius and he hasnt had a platinum album in like 10 years. talent doesn't sell records. record companies sell exactly what people want to buy. how does a record company 'embrace the internet'? does that mean giving away more shit for free? because it seems that mp3 ripping groups already do that for them. if you have an answer on how they're going to 'embrace the internet' please share it. you could probably make a shitload of money as a consultant. how does sony bringing out an mp3 player legitimize piracy? i dont even get it. you can make mp3s from cds you own. an mp3 player can hold more music than a cd can. "most artists arent really effected by downloading, they would rather have people do it, because its one of the best ways of marketing for them...they dont have to do any of hte work, and their stuff is getting out there. " that's complete bullshit. show me some stats. true, many bands dont mind mp3 piracy. but just as many, if not more dislike NOT SELLING RECORDS. "they make more money off touring then they would off the sale of a cd anyways.... and they still get roalties from radio airplay etc etc." bands dont make dick squat off radio airplay. i also believe they make dick squat off of touring. "as for the tac on the blank cds...they're still trying to figure out how to distribute that extra money... the latest thought....give the biggest chunk of it...to the bands that are doing the best right now... not fair...wanna know why?!?! most of the stuff that is being downloadng is NOT from the top ten artists...." also complete and utter bullshit. where do you get some of your facts? half this seems to be made up, the other half seems to be based in some far off reality world. it's really easy to justify stealing if you can do it anonymously. it must feel really cool to steal from a company and then turn around and tell them to start instigating new strategies to make money to offset your stealing. you're a fucking putz. fuck, i download mp3s, but i know im *stealing*. you seem to think the record industry owes you something.
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Mar 12, 03
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Mar 12, 03
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CD sales are NOT all that much down. Go look at the sales figures of HMV and Virgin. What is and has been happening is that many more small companies have been selling more, and the bigger ones have been selling a lot less, and/or have been selling less of each artist, but selling more artist. (it cost them more so sell 100 of 10 CDs, rather then 1000 of 1 CD)
Also even if CD sales are down, SO IS EVERY OTHER MAJOR INDUSTRY IN THE WORLD!!! we are in recession, and have been that way for a while.
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