Disturbing stories (Hussein’s youngest son)

[ƒORM]

See men shredded, then say you don't back war
By Ann Clwyd


“There was a machine designed for shredding plastic. Men were dropped into it and we were again made to watch. Sometimes they went in head first and died quickly. Sometimes they went in feet first and died screaming. It was horrible. I saw 30 people die like this. Their remains would be placed in plastic bags and we were told they would be used as fish food . . . on one occasion, I saw Qusay [President Saddam Hussein’s youngest son] personally supervise these murders.”

This is one of the many witness statements that were taken by researchers from Indict — the organisation I chair — to provide evidence for legal cases against specific Iraqi individuals for war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide. This account was taken in the past two weeks.

Another witness told us about practices of the security services towards women: “Women were suspended by their hair as their families watched; men were forced to watch as their wives were raped . . . women were suspended by their legs while they were menstruating until their periods were over, a procedure designed to cause humiliation.”

The accounts Indict has heard over the past six years are disgusting and horrifying. Our task is not merely passively to record what we are told but to challenge it as well, so that the evidence we produce is of the highest quality. All witnesses swear that their statements are true and sign them.

For these humanitarian reasons alone, it is essential to liberate the people of Iraq from the regime of Saddam. The 17 UN resolutions passed since 1991 on Iraq include Resolution 688, which calls for an end to repression of Iraqi civilians. It has been ignored. Torture, execution and ethnic-cleansing are everyday life in Saddam’s Iraq.

Were it not for the no-fly zones in the south and north of Iraq — which some people still claim are illegal — the Kurds and the Shia would no doubt still be attacked by Iraqi helicopter gunships.


For more than 20 years, senior Iraqi officials have committed genocide, war crimes and crimes against humanity. This list includes far more than the gassing of 5,000 in Halabja and other villages in 1988. It includes serial war crimes during the Iran-Iraq war; the genocidal Anfal campaign against the Iraqi Kurds in 1987-88; the invasion of Kuwait and the killing of more than 1,000 Kuwaiti civilians; the violent suppression, which I witnessed, of the 1991 Kurdish uprising that led to 30,000 or more civilian deaths; the draining of the Southern Marshes during the 1990s, which ethnically cleansed thousands of Shias; and the summary executions of thousands of political opponents.

Many Iraqis wonder why the world applauded the military intervention that eventually rescued the Cambodians from Pol Pot and the Ugandans from Idi Amin when these took place without UN help. They ask why the world has ignored the crimes against them?

All these crimes have been recorded in detail by the UN, the US, Kuwaiti, British, Iranian and other Governments and groups such as Human Rights Watch, Amnesty and Indict. Yet the Security Council has failed to set up a war crimes tribunal on Iraq because of opposition from France, China and Russia. As a result, no Iraqi official has ever been indicted for some of the worst crimes of the 20th century. I have said incessantly that I would have preferred such a tribunal to war. But the time for offering Saddam incentives and more time is over.

I do not have a monopoly on wisdom or morality. But I know one thing. This evil, fascist regime must come to an end. With or without the help of the Security Council, and with or without the backing of the Labour Party in the House of Commons tonight.



The author is Labour MP for Cynon Valley.

[Miss T]

That is amazing that in this day and age, this terrifying reality still exists! It just sickens me to read that and see how people are being tormented and brutally murdered. It needs to be stopped because everyone has a right to be equal and to be free!

[sungoo]

I feel sorry for saddams sons...

you gotta wonder, if they'd be like that if they were raised under another father...

[stringbeans]

huh huh.. huh huh.. you said semen

john
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[Crazy Dave]

yea it's better to drop bombs on people then to stick them in shredder. And/or what stories are happing in the USA that you don't get to know? What about forcing countries (now 2 of them in the same area) in to poverty with embargoes so that the people slowly die of starvation?

You also know what's funny I've been hearing a lot a terrorist using dirty bombs on the USA,,, oddly enough the USA used depleted Uranium ammunition the last war...
Dirty Bomb is not a nuclear device but uses a radioactive material, and it's blow up in the air with normal explosives.

Depleted Uranium, is a bomb that also is radioactive material, with normal explosives. That does the same effect.

How come it's ok the USA using those, and is not counted as weapons of mass destruction, but some one is a far off place that once used never gas 10 years ago most be removed from power? BTW the depleted uranium shells are still causing damage to the area.

Before we worry what others do, and take drastic actions causing more deaths, why don't we worry about our own problems

[Chet]

deplted uranium would be used on the anti tank shells
hence the GUlf war syndrome

Saddam's sons are just sick bastards

[ƒORM]

At least our prisoners have heated cells, tv's, visits and food. I think a fair trial is owed to anyone who commits a crime. The intensity of an action must be analyzed. I don't agree with dropping bombs on innocent civilians. Unfortunately it’s a bi-product of war. There’s no safe amount of collateral damage.



fORM

[BabyBlaze]

sometimes reality harsh...it sickens me that ppl can do that kinda shit....errr....i really dont understand some ppl...sick mother fuckers

[Joanne]

^^ if you knew the realities of the overwhelming power conformity and authority have over human beings, you'd realize that you too, if put in the same situation could be just as capable of doing such things.

people don't necessarily go straight to murdering people and doing awful things like that... psychological processes such as cognitive dissonance, low-balling technique, and foot-in-door phenomenon work to enable to gradually become the ruthless sickos you come to view them as...

in reality, soliders who kill innocent people, the Nazis who executed the Jews, were once just like you and me... and if put in the same situation, we too, could potentially be those "sickos".

if you're really interested, you should look at some research done by Stanley Milgram and Solomon Asch... they've done some really famous research on the effects of conformity that really apply to situations like these...

--Joanne :P

[Wood]

And it would be nice to think that those atrocities are the Bush administration's true motivation for this attack... but they're not. They are invading Iraq to gain control over their oil fields. This war is about macroeconomics, not human suffering.

Saddam and his sons might be evil fucks, but i don't see Bush's hands being so much cleaner. None of them give a shit about innocent lives, this war is all about the money.

read this, it's long but it's an eye opener:

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/RRiraqWar.html

[sNyx]

That's pretty deep shit there Form.

I mean if true, such acts remind of me of the holocaust, Hitlers hate crimes against the Jewish peoples. Such acts should not go unaccounted for. I mean that's just disgusting some of the things outlined in that article.

It seems all dictators have a common mind set, bent on ownership of a people without any thoughts of anothers life. I only hope (if true) such a man would be punished for said acts.

:(

[Wood]

Originally posted by snyx™
It seems all dictators have a common mind set, bent on ownership of a people without any thoughts of anothers life. I only hope (if true) such a man would be punished for said acts.

That statement is equally applicable to both Saddam Hussein and George W. Bush.

[Hot Karl]

Originally posted by ~fORM®
At least our prisoners have heated cells, tv's, visits and food. I think a fair trial is owed to anyone who commits a crime. The intensity of an action must be analyzed. I don't agree with dropping bombs on innocent civilians. Unfortunately it’s a bi-product of war. There’s no safe amount of collateral damage.



fORM

that sounds good right? well the u.s. has made laws that allow people to be imprisoned for up to 1 week without access to a lawyer, and without even being told what they are being held for. all in the name of homeland security. what about the u.s. CITIZEN they killed in afghanistan? the one were they just bombed a car. they knew he was in there, and he was a u.s. citizen, no trial there man.
Taliban fighters have been imprisoned since Operation Enduring Freedom, and they haven't gotten a trial, and there have been reports of prisoners being treated badly.
Or the Al-Qaeda big wig they caught like a month ago, they were saying he was GOING TO BE TORTURED. hmmm sounds very just and humane to me.

I'm not saying Saddam's a good man, but don't believe everything, and of course the're trying to villanize him even more.

[Wood]

^excellent points

may i add as well, you'd find human rights violations just as horrific in, say, Saudi Arabia. And i can't see the US going to war with them...