The real "shock & awe" and what It looks like

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*Public execution parades that Saddam introduced to Iraq

More pics " http://www.iraqifd.org/NTS/photo.htm "


As ugly as it might be these people knew shit was about to hit the fan yet remained in the toilet bowl thinking shit wasn't going to hit them. If Vancouver was about to be bombed I wouldn't hide on Robson street thinking I would be safe nor would I stay in my home blazing a doob thinking everything would be perfect. Choosing to deny the fact war is near is like playing Russian roulette with 5 bullets in the chamber. Blame your own leader for not stepping down and putting your nation through hell.

In regards to the photos you posted where are the pictures of the people who got fed through the plastic shredder (Hussein’s son) or even that picture of the shallow grave containing skeletons of infants less than 2 years of age with bullet holes in the upper portion of their skull. There would be so many pictures of murdered people by Saddam’s Regime that you wouldn’t be able to store the amount of images on this server we’re currently on. You also won’t see the pictures of soldiers (allies) who were beaten or killed when they got captured instead of being kept as POW’s. On the humane side of things you won’t see the many pictures of Iraqi soldiers being operated on by American doctors in attempts to save them or treat their wounds.

Wanna learn more watch this previous program:

"Saddam's Killing Fields" (1995)
-first aired 03.31.1992 (60 min)




One year after the fateful Kurdish uprising, Frontkine charts dissident Iraqi writer Kanan Makiya's secret return to Iraq to investigate rumors of an official extermination program aimed at the Kurds. Makiya travels from town to town, sifting through documents, audiotapes, and video footage kept for years by the Iraqi secret police and captured by the Kurds in the uprising. The records detail the horrifying scale of the Iraqi state's routine surveillance, torture, and murder.

producer(s)
Sakie Wykeham
Robin Parmelee


Kanan Makiya
Kanan Makiya was born in Baghdad. He left Iraq to study architecture at M.I.T. and later joined Makiya Associates to design and build projects in the Middle East.

In 1981, he left the practice of architecture and began to write a book about Iraq. "Republic of Fear: The Plitics of Modern Iraq" was published in 1989, and became a best-seller after Saddam Husain's invasion of Kuwait. It was republished in an updated form in 1995.

Makiya then wrote "The Monument," published in 1991. It's an essay on the aesthetics of power and kitsch. In 1993 he published "Cruelty and Silence: War. Tyranny, Uprising and the Arab World," which was awarded The Lionel Gelber Prize for the best book on international relations published in English in 1993.

Along with these books, written as Samir al-Khalil, Makiya has written for The Independent, The New York Times, The New York Review of Books, The Times Literary Supplement and The Times.

In October 1992, he acted as the convenor of the Human Rights Committee of the Iraqi National Congress, a transitional parliament based in northern Iraq. He has collaborated on two films for television, the most recent of which exposed for the first time the 1988 campaign of mass murder in northern Iraq known as the Anfal. The film was shown in the US under the title 'Saddam's Killing Fields,' and received the Edward R. Murrow Award For Best Television Documentary On Foreign Affairs in 1992.

Makiya has just published "The Rock: A Seventh Century Tale of Jerusalem," a work of historical fiction that tells the story of Muslim-Jewish relations in the formative first century of Islam, a story that culminates in the building of the Dome of the Rock. "The Rock" is published by Pantheon Books in New York.

Kanan Makiya has participated in the following films:

BBC Everyman, 'Enemies of the State,' directed by John Blake. Acted as special consultant to production. Screened April, 1990.
London's Channel 4 Rearwindow, Bandung Productions, 'Architecture of Fear.'
BBC Everyman, 'Road Back to Hell,' screened January 12, 1992.
WGBH Frontline, 'Saddam's Killing Fields,' screened March 21, 1992.
And he has received the following awards:

On April 27, 1993, the film, 'Saddam's Killing Fields,' received the Edward R. Murrow Award For Best Television Documentary On Foreign Affairs in 1992.
On October 13, 1993, Cruelty and Silence: War. Tyranny, Uprising and the Arab World, was awarded The Lionel Gelber Prize for the best book on international relations published in English in 1993.
Professor Makiya, who is one of the leading Iraqi intellectuals now living abroad, currently teaches at Brandeis University.


*One of thousands who lost their lives in Halabja
at the hands of Saddam and his thugs using chemical gas attacks

Help yourself to more images @ http://www.iraqifd.org/NTS/photo.htm

[dfltr]

good point.

it bothers me that people are talking about this now though. how long has hussein been in power? why do we only care now? if everyone is so concerned for the well-being of the iraqi people why didn't they care when the US cut iraq off from all food and medical supplies over a decade ago?

three quarters of a million people starved, yet somehow the images coming in are all of people that husseins lackies shot - and they're only coming in now that north america has something to gain (again).

he's evil! a tyrant! his actions are intolerable! if that's so, why didn't you clean him out the first time? oh wait, you only fought until your saudi oil fields were safe... but nevermind that, we'll take him out this time, and we'll do it by bombing the shit out of the people we claim to be freeing.

i guess - like everything else in current events - it all comes back to the First Rule of Everything: people are stupid.

...and then i stopped ranting and got back to work. grumble.

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It's just a vicious circle.... people are going to die either way.

If Saddam stayed in power he'd continue on with his evil dictatorship and people would die.
The US going in with bombs flying... people will die.

I am of the firm belief that there are better ways to remove Saddam from power than bombing innocent Iraqi civilians. This isn't 'Operation: Iraqi Freedom' as the US is so fond of calling it. I'd say its more along the lines of 'Operation: Iraqi Occupation'

The US is going to remain as an occupied govt in that country and reap the rewards of its oil fields. All Bush sees is $$$$$$$.

I feel sorry for the soldiers that are going to be left overseas once this is all over. The Iraqi people won't sit back and let foreigners run their country for long before they start an uprising. Lets not forget that they have done it already when the British occupied their country some time ago.... early 1900's I believe.

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Many people left in Iraq did want to leave - did not want to be bombed but where are they to go ? to the desert to starve and dehydrate - to camps that can't support them? To coutries that don't want them? People tried to flee, there weren't enough buses - they call it operation Iraqi Freedom, yet there were no offers to help civilians leave. i mean seriously the US was trying to use humanitarian reasons as their guise for entry, they could've tried a little harder - With the over 75 billion being asked for munitions and supplies in this war - I think some could have been allocated to actually helping, but hey that's just my opinion
There is just so much awfulness - its hard to know and see everything -

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Those are all valid points. A few things I'd add though are that it was the U.S. that helped Saddam gain power and stay there. Also the U.S. has a horrible track record of regime change, ask the people of Chille. For them 9/11 has a different meaning. It was on 9/11/73 that a U.S. sponsored coup topled the democratically elected Salvador Allende. What followed was a dirty war with gross human rights violations being carried out at the orders of Pinochet's new government. Pinochet as it happens was trained on how to do all of this through the U.S. school of the Americas (http://www.guerrillanews.com/human_rights/doc801.html). So how much better will life really be for the Iraqi's after America "free's" them. According to Amnesty International Pinochet was responsible for "appalling acts of barbarism were committed in Chile and elsewhere in the world: torture, murder and the unexplained disappearance of individuals all on a large scale" (http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/ENGAMR220101999). What about the kidnappings, rapes and tortures perpetrated by the U.S. sponsered Coulumbian Government? If we could a good person to ask would be any of the remaining memebers of the Sánchez family. They had four family members kidnapped by paramilitary forces in the ongoing strugle there (http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/ENGAMR230022003). The U.S. supports this regime with weapons and billions of dollars in aid! Considering the U.S. run School of the Americas I would never want to be in a country that was liberated by the U.S. Through this school they advocate rape, terrorism and kidnaping as methods to gain control (http://www.soaw.org/new/).

While there is no easy solution to these problems the U.S. invasion of Iraq is in no way a solution.

http://www.guerrillanews.com/human_rights/doc711.html
http://www.guerrillanews.com/human_rights/doc358.html

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Great topic guys...I will add to this later :y: