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further nitpicking from me about graphics applications:

movies are all well and good, but consider something that if you're making a big budget hollywood film you can afford to (and almost always do) set up your own custom resource sharing networks and badass development systems. professional 3d animation and windows desktop publishing are at opposite ends of the spectrum and comparing them doesn't quite add up.

as for the GIMP vs. Photoshop, uh, how about... no.

[specialkonrd]

Originally posted by Tux


uhhh.. not true. Crossover Office is an implementation of WINE which contains better support for some apps. Crossover Office has full compatibility with Microsoft Office, Quicktime, Flash, Shockwave, etc... although it is not free like WINE, it is usually included when you BUY a linux distro. And there is proper windows networking support in linux... linux supports basically all filesystems, and SAMBA provides excellent compatibility with windows based networks... there are also many linux applications used for movie editing by MANY move production studios.. to name a few who use linux:
Digital Domain
Disney
Double Negative
Dreamworks
Flash Film Works
Hammerhead
Industrial Light & Magic
Pixar
Rhythm & Hues
Sony Pictures
Tippett
Weta Digital
also, Linux has been used in the production of the following movies, just to name a few:

Dantes Peak [2/7/97] D2
Titanic [12/19/97] D2
Stuart Little [12/17/99] R&H
Little Nicky [11/10/00] R&H
Grinch [11/17/00] R&H
Sixth Day [11/17/00] R&H
Enemy at the Gates [3/16/01] Double Negative (England)
Cats & Dogs [4/4/01] R&H
Shrek [5/16/01] Dreamworks
Fast & the Furious [6/22/01] Hammerhead
Dr. Dolittle 2 [6/22/01] R&H
Final Fantasy [7/11/01] Square (ceased operations)
Planet of the Apes [7/27/01] R&H
Captain Corelli's Mandolin [9/17/01] Double Negative
Harry Potter [11/16/01] R&H
Lord of the Rings 1 [12/19/01] Weta
Collateral Damage [2/8/02] Flash Film Works
Blade II [3/22/02] Tippett
Death to Smoochy [3/29/02] Flash Film Works
Star Wars E2 [5/16/02] ILM
Spirit [5/24/02] Dreamworks
Scooby-Doo [6/14/01] Rhythm & Hues
Haunted Lighthouse (IMAX) [summer 2002 Busch Gardens] Island Fever
Men In Black 2 [7/3/02] Tippett (limited Linux, chase scene through Manhattan)
XXX [8/9/2002] D2
Pluto Nash [8/16/02] Flash Film Works
Blue Crush [8/16/02] Hammerhead
Below [Q3 02] Double Negative
Santa Clause 2 [11/1/02] Tippett
Star Trek Nemesis [12/13/02] D2
Lord of the Rings 2 [12/25/02] Weta (New Zealand)

some of the apps used to edit movies include:
Film Gimp,
Maya,
SoftImage,
Houdini,
Shake,
NUKE,
Renderman,
Blender,
POV-Ray
and some film studios have written their own proprietary applications for movie editing in linux as well.



equivelants ARE fully featured programs.


hmm... thats funny, cause i've been using linux exclusively on my desktop AND my new laptop for over 4 years...


wtf?!?!? what 2 Os'es? YOU DO NOT NEED A WINDOWS INSTALLATION TO USE WINE... WINE IS AN IMPLEMENTATION OF THE WINDOWS API WITH 100% MICROSOFT FREE CODE...


gimp is very powerful, and a great program.. in my experience i've found it to be almost exactly the same as photoshop, but with a few extra features such as scripting... the only disadvantage to the GIMP is it not having the CMYK colorspace, which only makes it unsuitable for professional print media, like large scale advertising and such, but this is being worked on by the GIMP team.. read this: Gimp vs. Photoshop





BS!! id uses opengl for most if not all of their games, and all are playable under linux. MANY companies use OpenGL for all their games, and the ones who don't are stupid for doing so. y? because OpenGL is not proprietary and is used on virtually all platforms and OS'es, not leaving apps who fully support it in the confines of the MS world. OpenGL also has a hell of a lot better graphics than DirectX (look at quake 3 arena, RTCW, neverwinter nights, etc.) linux ports unprofitable? not true. then tell me, why is Bioware in the middle of porting Neverwinter nights to linux then? there is a large growing linux community who would gladly purchase a linux port of a popular game. Video card drivers are fine under linux... no problems at all... and they are just as stable and mature as windows ones, both Nvidia and ATI now provide their own linux drivers. NO ADVANTAGE?? your crazy.. is your name bill gates by any chance?




hahaha.. your joking right? the reason why linux is so secure is because it is supported by an opensource community, so whenever a security issue is found, it is patched within a few hours max. with windows, i can name hundreds of ecurity issues with each version that remain unpatched... on average, it takes MS several months to never to patch holes up... and since MS is closed source, there are many holes that go unnoticed and undiscovered. And sure, linux has the odd virus, and there will prolly be more if it become the OS of choice for everyone, but really viruses are a non-issue for linux.. to understand why, i suggest you read URL=http://librenix.com/?inode=21]THIS[/url]. As for crashes, in 4 years, i've only had maybe 5 crashes, and i do a lot of development, compiling, and config stuff on my machine.. because of the structure of linux, it is usually only an application or graphical Xfree86 layer which crashes, and just requires you to go to console to restart it without restarting your comp. I have only had 1 total system crash and that was caused of a bug in the SETI@home client.


true, it only does take a few hours for patches in linux apps, but days for MS??? no way.. they hardly ever fix and security holes or bugs in their products and when they do it is a crappy implementation at that...




i can come up with a million reasons why linux is better... and i already gave you a few... AND WTF??? YOU DO NOT NEED WINDOWS TO RUN WINE! and i find it funny that you are using cygwin (an implementation of *nix on windows) when WINE is essentially the the same thing but opposite... anyways.... winblows is a joke..

buddy...are you THIS bored that you typed all that up? i haven't even read it yet

[lildonkey]

I read it all hehe, Os wars are fun to read :)

[specialkonrd]

Ok, tux, I will agree with you that linux is a preemo server OS.
But for the average home user, running on cable or dsl...
Who's gonna hack them? Whats the need for all this security talk? Unless you're running on an edu t3, no one has a use for your computer unless they're trying to create a really hurting DDoS network.

I think those few games u listed are the only mainstream games ive ever seen ported to *nix. Rawb is right. Theres more games running the directx api now then opengl. Clearly, you don't see this trend since you can't try these games anyways. There are more users of windows then there are of linux, so priority for nvidia and ati and all those companies is to get WINDOWS drivers out. WINE is simply an emulator of the windows API. It does NOT work perfectly. MANY MANY programs do not work in it, and no matter what you say, its still additional system overhead running your windows apps in that anyways. But hey, why would you want to run them in that if all your opensource applications are superior in every way anyways?

The only perfect way to run windows applications inside linux is by using VMWare or wahtever that other app that does it is called (virtualpc or something?). That would DEFINATELY create a good bit of overhead, and would still require you to "purchase" software. Price of software is not an issue to me...

[lildonkey]

^ price of software is not an issue to anyone nowadays.... even the poor have thousands of dollars of software on their comp :)

[specialkonrd]

yeah lol
/me puts up a sign by his window
"free windows 2003 server! retail value $3000"

[Tux]

Originally posted by specialkonrd
Ok, tux, I will agree with you that linux is a preemo server OS.
But for the average home user, running on cable or dsl...
Who's gonna hack them? Whats the need for all this security talk? Unless you're running on an edu t3, no one has a use for your computer unless they're trying to create a really hurting DDoS network.

true, but security is also an issue with regards to viruses should a major one come out on linux.. and linux does come installed with security precautions out of the box... but whatever. gives users peace of mind tho.

I think those few games u listed are the only mainstream games ive ever seen ported to *nix. Rawb is right. Theres more games running the directx api now then opengl. Clearly, you don't see this trend since you can't try these games anyways. There are more users of windows then there are of linux, so priority for nvidia and ati and all those companies is to get WINDOWS drivers out. WINE is simply an emulator of the windows API. It does NOT work perfectly. MANY MANY programs do not work in it, and no matter what you say, its still additional system overhead running your windows apps in that anyways. But hey, why would you want to run them in that if all your opensource applications are superior in every way anyways?

yes, the games that are ported are mainly the big mainstream ones, but there are also a ton of linux specific games out there too. Also, most games that run on directx that i have seen also have some kind of openGL implementation as well, so you can choose which one you prefer. an example of this is half-life. WINE is an implementation of the windows API, and yes i agree it is far from perfect, and has not reached 1.0 yet, but has been under intense development for many years since windows 3.1 came out, and it gets better with each monthly release. and MANY MANY programs DO work under WINE, but not all perfectly. WINE does have almost complete directx support, so i CAN run directx games. and it is just as much system overhead as using such things as cygwin on windows, vmware (more overhead), etc. Also, i did not say "opensource applications are superior in every way" that depends on the quality of the code and who develops it. That being said THERE ARE NO PERFECT APPS. Many applications made for windows do not even run perfectly on windows, because of buggy code. Many linux apps do beat out their windows equivelent, tho (if there even is one) and have the advantage of being opensource (and free). BTW, i only use WINE to run counter-strike and DoD, i was just talking about WINE in the first place cause someone, i think it was u, said they wanted to run windows apps.

The only perfect way to run windows applications inside linux is by using VMWare or wahtever that other app that does it is called (virtualpc or something?). That would DEFINATELY create a good bit of overhead, and would still require you to "purchase" software. Price of software is not an issue to me...

yes, VMWare does run windows apps better than WINE, but comparing the two is like comparing apples with oranges, as VMWare boots a windows partition along with linux so essentially you are using 2 OS'es at once, thus a shitload of overhead. WINE does not do this, but instead provides a library of windows resources and links them with the application being run to make it usable under linux.

[specialkonrd]

Im takin the simple way out. In some 2 hours, ill be getting another harddrive, which i will put into my other computer and simply have a comp running each OS (i need a nix box for some things...ftpd and irc in particular).

[lildonkey]

Tuxxx: When i type "lspci" in terminal i get this
00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)
Any idea on how to install it ? lol

and btw, know any good free online linux game?

[rawb]

if you're worried about security, why the fuck aren't you running openBSD?

[specialkonrd]

Hell even FreeBSD is very secure straight out of the box