Sons and Daughters That Come Home In Body Bags

[Senior]

"That I have died means I have failed to achieve the one thing in life I truly longed to give the world -- peace," the letter reads. "The plight of human suffering consumed me and I dedicated much to trying to find the ideas that might lead humankind toward alleviating it for all. It was a quest which was inextricably intertwined with my quest for freedom. If you know anything about me you know that. Understand it and come to understand how the suffering of others tormented my soul. Then seek to honor my memory by trying to achieve what I could not."

Quoted from an anonymous US soldier killed in Iraq

http://www.guerrillanews.com/human_rights/doc2413.html

[Senior]

My prayers go out to the families and friends of all the people who have lost loved one's and endured unimagineable hardships due to the unjust war in Iraq.

It's beyond me how people can still support these attrocities.

[Senior]

How many more civillians and coalition soldiers will be killed in this war of greed?

[Senior]

"Two and a half months after Bush proclaimed victory in Iraq - 'mission accomplished'' -- CBS reported that only 45 percent of the public now believes the United States is in control of events there. On the question of credibility regarding weapons of mass destruction, 56 percent say Bush administration officials were hiding important elements of what they knew or were outright lying."

[MC Hammered]

No one wins in a war.

[Senior]

Before this war started I was one voice in many that believed this war was unjust and would fail on all counts to meet it's objectives. In all cases it has failed and now it appears that it will drag on for several more years.

How do you people feel about Canadian peace keepers being sent into this mess?

How do you people feel about all the corruption that lead to this disaster?

Would anyone here actually go over to Iraq to serve as a peace keeper?

[beach*bum]

my heart goes out to those that have suffered, and the families that have suffered because of this.
although, i feel more for those that had no choice in the matter. and less for those that chose to make it all happen.

[i may be flamed for how that is put, but it's how i feel.]

[Senior]

Originally posted by MC Hammered:
No one wins in a war.

Well finacially speaking several large U.S. companies are going to make billions of dollars off this. Oil, construction and arms manufacturers in particular.

What I want to know is does anyone still believe this was a just war?

[MC Hammered]

Operation Steal Oil is a mess and I hope Bush goes to Hell for launching it into action.

War has it's place in the world, but when many people die for a cause that is as retarded as this one one can only shake their head at the stupidiy of the decision.

This mess was created by the people which started it and they should finish it. We are sending in peacekeepers to suck up to the world largest target we are attached to.

It is easy to send 1000's of troops in to fight a battle while Bush sits back and watches Leno at night and sleeps in his warm bed.

This war won't stop. The Iraqi's hate the Americans more than they hate Saddam and that is why they never complained when he was in power.

They probably won't stop fighting until they are 'free' and all that means are more body bags.

[Senior]

Originally posted by beach*bum:
my heart goes out to those that have suffered, and the families that have suffered because of this.
although, i feel more for those that had no choice in the matter. and less for those that chose to make it all happen.

[i may be flamed for how that is put, but it's how i feel.]

At the outset of this I spent 100's of hours reading about the various aspects of this problem. While there was no simplistic solution or conclusion to the problem it was apperant that the Bush administartion's reasons for going to war were a farce. The number one reason Bush started this war was greed. Now that so much evidence has come to light I'm just curious if people still believe all the lies he spread to build his case for war.

[Chet]

obviously the guy writing the letter did otherwise he would not have joined the army, he does not mention that he though the war was unjust, there were alot of people suffering from the tyranny of Saddam Hussein, many people were being killed and tortured. As he states in the letter "If you know anything about me you know that. Understand it and come to understand how the suffering of others tormented my soul" he was trying to aid them and end the suffering

I don't agree with the war, but his letter doesn't exactly support your point on the war being "unjust" just that he would like to end the suffering and give peace by fighting 'evil'

kind of ironic

[Senior]

So the next stop will be North Korea or Iran and the casualties will be much higher... Who will be in support of these wars?

[Senior]

Originally posted by Chet:
obviously the guy writing the letter did otherwise he would not have joined the army, he does not mention that he though the war was unjust, there were alot of people suffering from the tyranny of Saddam Hussein, many people were being killed and tortured. As he states in the letter "If you know anything about me you know that. Understand it and come to understand how the suffering of others tormented my soul" he was trying to aid them and end the suffering

I don't agree with the war, but his letter doesn't exactly support your point on the war being "unjust" just that he would like to end the suffering and give peace by fighting 'evil'

kind of ironic

You have to read the whole article to understand the context. Basically the soldier who wrote that was a patriot and went to war as it was his duty but he also knew if was an unjust war. Read the article that I linked and it's clear.

[MC Hammered]

Originally posted by Senior
So the next stop will be North Korea or Iran and the casualties will be much higher... Who will be in support of these wars?

Who will be in support??

The same people that think all Canadians live in igloos.

[Senior]

Originally posted by MC Hammered:


Who will be in support??

The same people that think all Canadians live in igloos.

It took a while but eventually a large majority of Americans opposed the Vietnam war. In a matter of less than a year mass oposition to the conflict in Iraq has grown and there was protests opposing it that were on par with Vietnam protests before the war even started. It took more than 4 years before any sort of opposition like this formed against the Vietnam war. If a large majority of Americans oppose something it's political suicide to do that and a spineless fuck like George W just won't do it. Even the Fox network, who were little more than cheerleadres prior to the invasion of Iraq, are asking tough questions about the Bush administration.

People think they are powerless in these matters and we are so far from being powerless.

[Ragga_Wh0re]

ever seen a bag of crack?? ...this is what it looks like. HA HA

It seems to come as news to you that the us government are a bunch of money hungry blood thirsty bastards? It pisses me off to see that Canadians are being sent over there, it makes us as Canadians look just as barbaric as the US. I fear that shit like sept 11 will happen in Canada one day because of our involvment in the war.

[beach*bum]

Originally posted by Senior


At the outset of this I spent 100's of hours reading about the various aspects of this problem. While there was no simplistic solution or conclusion to the problem it was apperant that the Bush administartion's reasons for going to war were a farce. The number one reason Bush started this war was greed. Now that so much evidence has come to light I'm just curious if people still believe all the lies he spread to build his case for war.

nolan. i didn't mean that i thought those in the US had no choice. i don't really know why you chose to reply to my response...?....i meant those in iraq that had no choice. that were bombarded with a war that they didn't even want. i never believed in bush or why he wanted to go to war. i agreed with the canadian prime minister and why he kept canadians out of it...until that is, the peace-keeping forces were needed...

but one can't help but feel for the mother's and father's that get a letter in the mail saying that their american [or english, or canadian, or whichever other countries have joined this "battle"] son/daughter has been slain in a [vain and selfish attempt] to stop the "unjust" treatment of people...

[kimmay candy]

2 wrongs should not make a right...two sides of the war no one wins..you always loose people. My heart goes out to all the families and the mothers that lost there children and husbens and what not. its a horrible truth..and it shouldnt be :soak:

[beach*bum]

kimmay candy....
the mothers didn't only lose here.....fathers did too.
there were and are daughters in the war also....

[Senior]

Originally posted by beach*bum:


nolan. i didn't mean that i thought those in the US had no choice. i don't really know why you chose to reply to my response...?....i meant those in iraq that had no choice. that were bombarded with a war that they didn't even want. i never believed in bush or why he wanted to go to war. i agreed with the canadian prime minister and why he kept canadians out of it...until that is, the peace-keeping forces were needed...

but one can't help but feel for the mother's and father's that get a letter in the mail saying that their american [or english, or canadian, or whichever other countries have joined this "battle"] son/daughter has been slain in a [vain and selfish attempt] to stop the "unjust" treatment of people...

I think I quoted the wrong the person... yeah anyway I just want to know if people still believe this was a just war.

[beach*bum]

haha. ok.

and i never thought it was a "war"...
i thought it was one man's [and in part, country's] persistent conquest to be dominant, vain, and self-consumed...not to mention greedy...


and then i thought it was suffering...and still think it is.

[SEAN!]

Originally posted by Senior
So the next stop will be North Korea or Iran and the casualties will be much higher... Who will be in support of these wars?

the americans wont fight those two because they know they will loose.

[Cdn_Brdr]

I don't know whether I'm for or against Canadian peace keepers being sent in. The problem is that you don't know how the Iraqi's are going to react. You can look at it in two ways I guess:

1) The Iraqi's are already getting irate at having their country occupied by a foreign government. There have been approximately 30 deaths over the past couple months of American soldiers. All of these deaths have been due to an uprising among the Iraqi people. Will the Iraqi's have the same sort of animosity for our peacekeepers? In this situation you say no because it endagers the lives of our people there.

2) If the Iraqi's can tell the difference between an occupied gov't and a peacekeeper then it may be a different story. It may be good to have our peacekeepers there to almost keep an eye on some of the protocol that the US is following. It'd be pretty good to know that there's someone other than the US over there making sure the people of Iraq are treated fairly.

In regards to the soldier, it is obvious that he was a patriot as Nolan said. He was there because it was his patriotic duty and job to do so. It doesn't necessarily mean that he agreed with what he had to do. He probably had a pretty heavy heart knowing what he was being forced to do.

[Senior]

Originally posted by ~*goddessa*~:
It seems to come as news to you that the us government are a bunch of money hungry blood thirsty bastards?

No, not really. What I was getting at is that people always say how it's the governments fault or the greedy corporations or well anything but themselves. By saying oh well there's nothing we can do the governments going to do whatever they want we are giving up our say in it. We are esentially condoning whatever the outcome is if we don't ascert our view on the matter.

[Senior]

Originally posted by Sean!:


the americans wont fight those two because they know they will loose.

I think they would be able to win in a military sense but it would be a political disaster, as Iraq already is.