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Anti-Fighting Bylaw
Fighting in Vancouver could get you fined
Wednesday, October 01, 2003 A bylaw giving Vancouver police the power to fine anyone caught fighting in public -- a deterrent that has proved helpful in Victoria and Edmonton -- is being proposed by Vancouver city Councillor Peter Ladner. "I've been told Vancouver police are very keen to have this because it allows them to stay on site and deal immediately with brawlers," said Ladner, who plans to propose a motion for such a bylaw at the next council meeting Oct. 7. "I'm looking forward to seeing it [a motion to enact an anti-fighting bylaw] pass. Anything to improve safety on the street and maximize police resources." In Victoria, police have issued 10 tickets, at $100 each, since an anti-fighting bylaw went into effect in May 2002. In Edmonton, a $250 fine for fighting has been in effect since April 1999. Ladner said one of the reasons the measure is needed is an increase in street fighting following the introduction of extended bar hours. For the past three months, 57 bars, clubs and cabarets have been allowed to stay open until 4 a.m. instead of 2 a.m. on Fridays, Saturdays and nights before a statutory holiday. The extended bar opening trial period ended Monday, but a temporary extension was granted until Nov. 30. Vancouver police would welcome the bylaw as a way to deal with street disorder, said Vancouver police spokeswoman Constable Anne Drennan. more here... Last edited by narc; Oct 02, 03 at 12:29 AM. 
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whatever. assault is already illegal. Creating a disturbance is also down there. This is an extra law that lets them write you tickets without having to arrest you or go to any hassle.
if two consenting adults want to beat each other senseless, that`s their business. If they want to do it in a public place and create a disturbance, voila, we already have laws to deal with that possibility. Hey, `zat you Cam? it`s Matt... I`m in JAPAN!!! HA HA HA HA... THEY LET ME IN! The FOOLS>...
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"dude i dont wanna fight, i'm going on vacation next week and i just cant afford a ticket."
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well theres gonna be a whole lotta people getting fined. People arent going to think twice and they arent going to give a fuck about the fine... when someone wants to damage someone else they are going to do it no matter what bylaws there are.
The pigs are gonna make a nice lump sum off of these fines thats for sure.
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this one's all about subtext.....
"Ladner said one of the reasons the measure is needed is an increase in street fighting following the introduction of extended bar hours." funny, the police have been stating quite regularly that they haven't seen any noticeable increase in violence with the new later closing times..... so basically this story just serves to reinforce the idea that 4 am closing is a bad idea because it's increasing fighting..... personally i think the cops shouldn't be able to write fines on the spot, what they should do more is give out notices to appear, meaning you not only have to go up before a judge who may then give you a charge or a fine, you've got to take time off from work or whatever to do it....better consequence oh, and godessa, wake up, the money cops get from fines doesn't go in to the police dept. it goes to the government....unlike the states where lots of police depts. get to straight up KEEP any proceeds of the drug trade that they confiscate....
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this fine/bylaw is a great idea, most fights are just minor scuffles, so assault charges, and all that is a little overboard imo.
however a fine is quick, and no bullshit, and a penalty people can see affect them immediately. i don't know how much of a deterrent it'd be for frequent fighters, but i have a feeling after 2-3 he'll think twice, or if he's hardcore, when the cops stop him, and run his name and see 4-6 tickets for fighting, they'll arrest his ass. it's like gettin caught speeding and you have like 15 tickets in your history. 'i won't do it again' doesn't work anymore
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oh, and godessa, wake up, the money cops get from fines doesn't go in to the police dept. it goes to the government....unlike the states where lots of police depts. get to straight up KEEP any proceeds of the drug trade that they confiscate....
^i realize this now that i had re read what I said... But i disagree with you on your comment you made about just making more promises to appear... this is a total waste of paper work crown will more than likely throw it out before it ever gets a chance to go to court, but this is depending on the extent of the crime... if its just some petty fight between two drunkards then its a waste of time&money to put it through court. But if its a more severe crime and the victim persists on pressing charges then yeah it will go through the court. Not only is this a cash grab but also a time saver for the police and the judges and lawyers and also a cash saver because it will save money by not processing so many stupid crimes...and a time saver as well because then they can focus on prosecuting on deserving criminals... not some testosterone filled meathead who had a few too many.
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^hahahahaha i said time saver twice hahahaha k note to self*no more posting while stoned* :smoke1:
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I`d like to see the guidelines for what range of behaviours qualifies as "fighting" according to the bylaw before deciding if it`s a good idea. If there`s a chance that I could be fined for yelling obscene remarks at my own friends while not even drunk, that`s some kind of bullshit infringement on my rights that isn`t worth a couple of ticks on the city`s yearly balance that won`t ever trickle down to me in a tangible form. And no, it`s not a criminal record, but I can`t defend myself against it either, and my name still goes in the computer.
Speeding endangers the lives of other people, and tickets for that I can handle. Hell, people who speed triple limit in school zones should be hogtied and have their car set on fire and pushed into a ravine while they watch. I`d sign that petition. But fighting is not speeding, and mainly endangers the participants. Hell, you can summary charge people just for being intoxicated and making an ass of themselves in a public place, no "fighting" stipulation needed. But you have to push hard to get a ticket thrown out, but minor charges get dumped all the time. Guys with guns and uniforms should have the legal power to do something when someone`s life is in danger. Anything beyond that is suspicious at best. And charges for simple assault are just that. Simple assault. They have the bodily harm charge (and or weapon) for fights that result in serious long term injuries, and then there`s civil court after the criminal proceedings are dealt with. Now.... that said, if they abandoned simple assault from the criminal code altogether and handed it over to the municipal level... so you get a ticket all the time unless someone is seriously hurt... well that beats having a criminal record for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. I`m in favor of better laws as opposed to more of them.
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