America's Moment of Clarity

[Senior]

I thank the distinguished Chair. We now have more terrorism than less terrorism. That is the fact. We have the entire world turned against us. When we cannot get Mexico and Canada to go along with us, we are in trouble.

Sen. Fritz Hollings (D-SC), November 7, 2003

http://hollings.senate.gov/

We learned in World War II that no matter how well the gun was aimed, if the recoil is going to kill the guncrew one does not fire the gun.


Yes, it was a good aim to get Saddam but now look at the headline. I ask unanimous consent to include this particular article from the Financial Times, "Al-Qaida Exploits Insecurity in Iraq to Acquire Weapons and Swell Its Ranks."

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Sen. Fritz is a veteran of WW2 and was a young Senator during the Vietnam War. He and many others see many similar things between Vietnam and Iraq though, http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...today/11941765
and this is of course very bad news.

my condolances to those who have had to suffer through this mess first hand...

[Ragga_Wh0re]

did u see that big speil the old man on 60 minutes gave about george dubya bush? itwas really good 2 bad i cant remember any of it.

[crackdragon]

Good speech

[Senior]

Originally posted by ~*goddessa*~:
did u see that big speil the old man on 60 minutes gave about george dubya bush? itwas really good 2 bad i cant remember any of it.

No I missed that...

So what's people's thought's on this? I get a sense that most people just want to beary there heads in the sand on this... that's really to bad because this conflict is going to cause a lot of problems for our generation.

[Tux]

its good that at least a few people within the US government are finally realizing the consequences of their actions.. now if only they can get bush outta there and get a competent president who knows how to solve the big mess that bush pretty much got them into.

[crackdragon]

Originally posted by Senior

So what's people's thought's on this? I get a sense that most people just want to beary there heads in the sand on this... that's really to bad because this conflict is going to cause a lot of problems for our generation.

Ummm... I am not burying my head in the sand on this one. I just have the time to type as much as I would like to say.
Also I havent been keeping up with the news as of late, so what I had to say would just be a anti Bush rant. I hate Bush! Why is a C average student running one of the most powerful countries in the world?? why?? why?? democracy my ass!

[Krusha]

Andy rooney, a face for the people to sympathize with. You should see how he was peddling microchip technology after 9/11 ... that man is part of the decline.

'We need some system for permanently identifying safe people. Most of us are never going to blow anything up and there's got to be something better than one of these photo Ids. I wouldn't mind having something planted permanently in my arm that would identify me.' - Andy Rooney

[Ragga_Wh0re]

Originally posted by Krusha
Andy rooney, a face for the people to sympathize with. You should see how he was peddling microchip technology after 9/11 ... that man is part of the decline.

'We need some system for permanently identifying safe people. Most of us are never going to blow anything up and there's got to be something better than one of these photo Ids. I wouldn't mind having something planted permanently in my arm that would identify me.' - Andy Rooney

ouch hes down with the mark of beast and that aint coo. Howevere what the geriatric said in regards to what bush has done i totally agree with it. as for this whole situation my opinion is biased just because i havent been following this situation avidly because i do and dont agree with it and its just a buncha crap as far as im concerned. And because of some dumbass proud president who gave us no voice, we will have to deal with the backlashes and reprocussions.

[Sykonee]

The trouble is that Bush has put himself into a predicament that America can't back out of. They started this mess in the Middle East, they have to finish it. It would be very irresponsible of of them to say, "Shit! What a mess. Let's bail." Without any form of dominate power in that region, it'd be open warfare amongst the religious sects.

Saddam may have been a dictator but he definitely kept the place under control, as fear is oftentimes the best control method.

[kodama-jay]

i think they need to take advice from all of us...

"for one priceless moment, in the whole history of man... all the people on this earth.. are trully one"

[Senior]

Originally posted by kodama-jay:
i think they need to take advice from all of us...

"for one priceless moment, in the whole history of man... all the people on this earth.. are trully one"

This is a wierd tangent but I've often wondered what would happen if we locked up Dubya and his thugs with Saddam and his thugs, then dosed them all on E and piped in some fluffy trance...

[Rytalin]

^actually I'd like to throw some psychadellic mushrooms in there as well.
:)

and hell, why just dubya and saddam?
throw in any other major world leaders that have beef with each other too.

at the same time, we can have an army of cropdusters dusting every major city in North america with LSD, just before primetime.
Then we hijack CNN right when the 6:00 news is coming on and broadcast video feedback with Wierd Al Yankovic doing a commentary over top and maybe flashing pictures of hamsters every once in awhile... fuck this IS a wierd tangent....

er
so who's with me?

:keebler: :smoke1:

[miss.myra]

Not suprizing to see those words coming from a Democrat. Had it been a Republican, I'd have considered it a lot more groundbreaking (even despite the unprecedented democrat/republican unity shown on the war on 'terror')

[miss.myra]

Also interestingly enough, the same senator supports reinstating the military draft in America. What the?


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REINSTATING THE MILITARY DRAFT

On the first day of the 108th session, Sen. Hollings introduced the Universal National Service Act of 2003, a bill to reinstate the military draft and mandate either military or civilian service for all Americans, aged 18-26.

Specifically, the bill mandates a national service obligation for every U.S. citizen and permanent resident, aged 18-26. To that end, the legislation authorizes the President to establish both the number of people to be selected for military service and the means of selection. Additionally, the measure requires those not selected specifically for military service to perform their national service obligation in a civilian capacity for at least two years.

http://hollings.senate.gov/issues_defense.html#draft

[Senior]

I don't really find that surprising. The guys as far from being a peacenik as anyone.

[miss.myra]

Then I don't know how much I would consider this a 'moment of clarity' as much as I would consider it typical Democratic criticizm of George W's war to discredit him. Wooo politics!

[Senior]

Originally posted by miss.myra:
Then I don't know how much I would consider this a 'moment of clarity' as much as I would consider it typical Democratic criticizm of George W's war to discredit him. Wooo politics!

Truth is still truth.

[SEAN!]

Originally posted by miss.myra
Also interestingly enough, the same senator supports reinstating the military draft in America. What the?


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REINSTATING THE MILITARY DRAFT

On the first day of the 108th session, Sen. Hollings introduced the Universal National Service Act of 2003, a bill to reinstate the military draft and mandate either military or civilian service for all Americans, aged 18-26.

Specifically, the bill mandates a national service obligation for every U.S. citizen and permanent resident, aged 18-26. To that end, the legislation authorizes the President to establish both the number of people to be selected for military service and the means of selection. Additionally, the measure requires those not selected specifically for military service to perform their national service obligation in a civilian capacity for at least two years.

http://hollings.senate.gov/issues_defense.html#draft

i dont know if im remember right but i think this senator was the guy who supported reinstating the draft because he felt that it was only poor kids who couldnt afford to pay for school or had no other choices that joined the military in hopes of either having their education paid for or finding a career in the armed services. Notice how the bill requires that ALL citizen's must serve, this is a far cry from the draft during the vietnam war which allowed exeptions for those who were in college, thereby allowing the wealthy to avoid combat. this bill was designed because the senator is in fact a peacenik, he was hoping that if the bill passed that middle and upper middle class americans would reconsider a rush to war when they know that they can't buy their kids a repreive from combat. He felt that it was discusting how many of the Upper Class people who held the power would make decisions that would send other people's children into harm's way when they knew their children were safe.

[Senior]

(^) I think you're actually right about that...