Saddam Captured.

[chadwick]

gezz thats messed hes captured.

[shorerider]

I hope they pump him full of fatty foods, make him watch an endless slew of awards shows hosted by Chris Rock and David Spade whilst making him drink shitty beer.

[Wood]

Originally posted by Kelster
if it really is him...

i feel bad for him

yeah really, i mean all he did was slaughter, torture & execute thousands upon thousands of innocent people.

[Tease]

I personally think they found him months ago when they killed his son and raided his house. They just decided to hold off on telling the public they found him....now that its close to being re-election time...SURPIRSE BUSH finds him...

The Americans are dumb. They'll buy it, and re-elect Bush.


Bush just wants votes..

[Leviathan]

riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

[SEAN!]

Originally posted by djmarkpaul


Being "anti-american" will hardly turn this thing around. You gotta lose the hate, and I know it's hard since there is so much stupidity around us specifically in the corporate media cartel, but hate won't bring back the dead, though compasion may still save the living.

As for the CNN comment, anyone who relies soley on the corporate media for the whole side of the story is going to be ignorant to the truth is some regards. These institutions have their own agenda, and it's not a free press.

You will get spinning and biases in literally every form of media, be it independant or corporate...people need to take the time to go through both and then draw their own conclusions (which should be subject to change as more information comes to play)...or better yet...not have an opinion! Not having an opinion may be the healthiest thing a person can do these days, given the amount of fodder we are told to be the facts, or simply not having the time to look into the whole picture.

all media is biased, once information comes form a secondary source it is inherently biased....You emphasize the corporate media as being the most biased, and id have to agree with you, most of the major media cartels, especially CNN, are heavily biased as they are most interested in making money thus they produce "infotainment". However i find many alternative media sources just as biased and faulty as CNN, any reasonal person cannot denie that many alternative news sources are incredibly biased aswell. this is a consequence of the fact that most of these media groups are prosuing their own agendas and these agendas are reflected in their coverage of events. Just look at GNN, that news source is incredibly biased, just as biased as cnn if not more, the only difference from those two sources is their political stance.

P.s hopefully hsi capture will make the americans more credible in the eyes of many iraqis...theyll need the credibilty if they want a chance to fix the mess that they made.

[Kelster]

Originally posted by Wood


yeah really, i mean all he did was slaughter, torture & execute thousands upon thousands of innocent people.

what he did isn't right...i don't feel sorry for him, but i do feel bad for him

[sweetdream]

hey,
Its a good thing he is caught. That comericail is really funny.

[Senior]

Originally posted by SEAN!:


all media is biased, once information comes form a secondary source it is inherently biased....You emphasize the corporate media as being the most biased, and id have to agree with you, most of the major media cartels, especially CNN, are heavily biased as they are most interested in making money thus they produce "infotainment". However i find many alternative media sources just as biased and faulty as CNN, any reasonal person cannot denie that many alternative news sources are incredibly biased aswell. this is a consequence of the fact that most of these media groups are prosuing their own agendas and these agendas are reflected in their coverage of events. Just look at GNN, that news source is incredibly biased, just as biased as cnn if not more, the only difference from those two sources is their political stance.

P.s hopefully hsi capture will make the americans more credible in the eyes of many iraqis...theyll need the credibilty if they want a chance to fix the mess that they made.

Being biased based on a political stance is not the same as being biased for massive finacial gain. GNN is no where close to CNN when it comes to having a bias to serve a particular agenda. If you actually took a bit of time to read their articles you'd notice that they are from many different sources and if anything the site is just an easy way for people to get information from all over. CNN on the other hand produces the majority of their content and does have the motive of massive profits. The people who run GNN are volunteers...

[thabadguy]

i think bush is pretty much teachin his country how to be racist, i mean the war was over oil and missles, americans got thousands more than any other country, i think saddam was jus trying to run his country the way he should, i mean americans do, no one says shit,
medias full of bullshit and bush is jus plain out racist and gonna start some fucked up shit thats gonna fuck everyone over!

[Wood]

Originally posted by thabadguy
i think saddam was jus trying to run his country the way he should,

right, by gassing thousands of civilians and executing his own party supporters? is that how one should run a country?

Not saying Bush & cronies are in the right, but Saddam is an evil mf just the same

[thabadguy]

saddam mite have been evil but half the shit was blown up by media im pretty sure, but if he wants to gas his ppl i say let him as long as he aint gassin no one else, im pretty sure he jus wanted his ppl to fear him, like fuck americans are just as evil as him, they killed hundreds of iraqis as well when they were tryna bomb saddam...........that dun make bush any better than he is

[Senior]

Originally posted by Wood:




Not saying Bush & cronies are in the right, but Saddam is an evil mf just the same

It's no wonder that him and Powell got along so well...

[djmarkpaul]

Originally posted by ebbomega


Funny that, because the Nuremberg trials (sic?) had determined that "following orders" isn't a justifiable excuse. Apparently even under Hitler, where if you disobeyed you get you throat slit, duress isn't a reasonable excuse for unmoralistic fighting or some bullshit like that.

The Nuremberg Trails were some fucked up times man, it's hard to say what was set in stone, maybe you didn't watch the video?

...

"Why of course the people don't want war... But after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship... Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger."


-Hermann Goering,
Hitler's Designated Successor;
The second man in the Third Reich
April 18, 1946
Nuremberg Trials.

...


There's nowhere to hide
nowhere to run
when the sins of the father
fall on the son
The Bigger the problem
The Bigger the gun
and you don't wanna know what your government's done.
'Cause the Taliban, was down with US
Saddam Hussien, was down with US
South Africa, was down with US
and y'all wonder why the whole world don't trust.
...
War is life yes and War is death
War don't decide who's right, but who's left.
I fight everyday so I ain't spittin' on soldiers
But this war's for Oil
for Religion
and Culture.


S.T.O.P. Movement,
"Down with US"

[SEAN!]

Originally posted by Senior


Being biased based on a political stance is not the same as being biased for massive finacial gain. GNN is no where close to CNN when it comes to having a bias to serve a particular agenda. If you actually took a bit of time to read their articles you'd notice that they are from many different sources and if anything the site is just an easy way for people to get information from all over. CNN on the other hand produces the majority of their content and does have the motive of massive profits. The people who run GNN are volunteers...

i cant differentiate between motives..its really a non issuse for me as the point of my post was that all media sources have biases. Personally i think finacial gain is a pretty good reason to haev a biased opinion, but im greedy like that.

[sweet~kandy]

Im sick of hearing about all this... hmmmm

Next most wanted man is Osama Bin Laden, hehehehe

[djmarkpaul]

Originally posted by Sykonee

quote:
people need to take the time to go through both and then draw their own conclusions (which should be subject to change as more information comes to play)...or better yet...not have an opinion! Not having an opinion may be the healthiest thing a person can do these days, given the amount of fodder we are told to be the facts, or simply not having the time to look into the whole picture.


quote:
Well that is the point though, a good soldier does what they're told. Thinking for yourself is shunned upon, when I was forced into cadets at an early age by my folks I learned this the hard way. People have to stop looking at war through the eyes of counter strike or this planet is doomed.

Isn't this a bit of a contridiction? Just thought I should point it out.

Well of course it's a contradiction (as in: opposition between two conflicting forces or ideas), we're at war! Mind you I thought I tied it in all together with the counter strike reference but allow me to make it perfectly clear.

I'm a pacifist, the first quote is on my ideals and where I want to see society head.

The second quote is about how I see the current stature of society.

With war being life, you can't eliminate war, but rather evolve it's expression; currently with war, the war machine is ruling in the hearts of men by physical exertion rather than mental exertion. I have just simply pointed out that currently the success of the physical exersion is the ruling tenet of war.

...

By not having the opinion I was refering simply to the philosphy of maybe-logic, and maybe I should have reiterated that. The main construct of the philosphy is since everything has a baised, and what we know is simply just our current state of precieving information (the wold is still flat for many people, metaphorically speaking), opinions should be subject to change variably and invariably. Not the_opposite_which is blindly going with what's spoonfed. Thanks for pointing that out though, you may, where some think I am contradicting myself, realize I am simply looking at in more than one angle, unless you already are.

http://www.maybelogic.com

[SEAN!]

Originally posted by thabadguy
saddam mite have been evil but half the shit was blown up by media im pretty sure, but if he wants to gas his ppl i say let him as long as he aint gassin no one else, im pretty sure he jus wanted his ppl to fear him, like fuck americans are just as evil as him, they killed hundreds of iraqis as well when they were tryna bomb saddam...........that dun make bush any better than he is

yeha sure it was the media that put 30,000 bodies in a mass grave in the dessert.


the americans are bad..but they are not even close to as bad as saddam was

[djmarkpaul]

Originally posted by Senior


It's no wonder that him and Powell got along so well...

Oh they were all getting along for a while:

HOW CAN THIS NOT MAKE YOU WONDER?

*link may have heavy traffic in the next couple of days so be patient, it's worth it*

...

Rumsfeld met with Saddam Hussein *SEVERAL* times in 1983 and 1984 and was seen here trying to butter up to Saddam Hussein... Oops!

What's even better is that in a August 7, 2002 CBS News Article, he was quoted as saying:

"I don't know of anyone I've talked to in the region who would walk across the street to shake Saddam Hussein's hand."

Oh and by the way, GNN is extremely biased, not to be biased.

[Senior]

[Sir_K]

Just remember the following two links when you watch this charade play out...

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/
US National Security Agency archives for Universities

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/conspiracytheories/white.pdf
A worth-reading through interview with Bill White by CBC Fifth Estate

These guys all go wayy back. This is just a dog and pony show.

[ebbomega]

Originally posted by Wood


yeah really, i mean all he did was slaughter, torture & execute thousands upon thousands of innocent people.

"What a pity that Bilbo did not stab that vile creature, when he had a chance!"

"Pity? It was Pity that stayed his hand. Pity, and Mercy: not to strike without need. Be sure that he took so little hurt from the evil, and escaped in the end, because he began his ownership of the Ring so. With Pity."

"I am sorry," said Frodo. "But I am frightened; and I do not feel any pity for Gollum."

"You have not seen him," Gandalf broke in.

"No, and I don't want to," said Frodo. "I can't understand you. Do you mean to say that you, and the Elves, have let him live on after all those horrible deeds? Now at any rate he is as bad as an Orc, and just an enemy. He deserves death."

"Deserves it! I daresay he does. Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement."

- Tolkien

[Aaron_J]

Originally posted by Tease
I personally think they found him months ago when they killed his son and raided his house. They just decided to hold off on telling the public they found him....now that its close to being re-election time...SURPIRSE BUSH finds him...

The Americans are dumb. They'll buy it, and re-elect Bush.


Bush just wants votes..

Sounds like somthing He would do. I dont dout it one bit