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Feb 17, 04
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dood.....raves r dead because its a big fuckin flail......word gets around.....end of story
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Feb 17, 04
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I wrote this piece to stir the pot – and obviously I ruffled a few feathers. Good! At least we all care enough to write about it, speak our minds and share thoughts – although some of you have a hard time doing it without being ass-lickers.
You’re all right. Raves are not dead – that’s a mistake, and I’ll admit that. Perhaps the raves I knew are dead, and really I think I just chronicled the story of that death. Keep in mind that I asserted that I know raves are still going on. It has changed, I have changed – and maybe I need to see what it’s about now before I make arguments like that. That being said, I am no longer a raver and I was speaking in past-tense there – hopefully people can see the difference between then and now (most of you have). I was talking about “the explosion in popularity in all night dance parties” coming to a “grinding halt”. JESUS! The explosion came and went in this town people – and anyone who can’t see that is plain stupid. It will come again too! I do want to address Akeel’s comments about it “just being a party” though. There are two different types of people in the rave scene – both when I was in and now. Some are going to go through life blindly – driving the economy, buying an SUV and watching their cholesterol. Other people think about and care about life and the human experience. They inherently want to know more, think about themselves, others and society – hopefully contributing to a greater good. You think analysis hurts the scene? Europe has a HUGE scholarly literature on raves and the club scene – and what’s going on over there? It’s thriving! You of all people (you dedicating so much time to music and production) should know that without dialogue, we’re nowhere. Sure, it’s a party to some, to others like me, we felt a connection with others that we’d never experienced – and that is worth exploring.
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Feb 17, 04
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i'm old and bitter.
but in "seriousness" there really is only one comment...if you dont like what it's going on. change it. Overanalysis of anything takes the fun out of it. (also u sound like a hippy...s'all good though hippies know how to party.)
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Feb 17, 04
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For one who has stopped raving I could see how you might think of the rave "community" (scene now) as possibly being dead but... by "stirring the pot" I'm sure you've mistakenly noticed that the fired is still strongly burning beneath. Change is the only answer here as it seems and as it has been posted so many times before me. So whether your old and bitter or young and adolescent about it ( or remain neutral like few), it seems we can all bitch at eachother still resolve something. In this case I don't think "overanalysing" was the issue I think it was "under-analysing" or analysing with bias. I think analysing isn't the factor that takes the fun out of things, its a lack of and then making an incorrect dicision that takes the fun out of it.
I see too many of the same people at every massive and most small party/raves. Whether change has led to possible political structuring in raves, being musical genre driven which could possibly lead to lack of communication and division that way (lack of community)... or what ever you have it; they all seem to know how to party and all seem to have a good time. I can see your theory on "2 types of people" and some what agree with it. Although I don't think it's raving people and general society people that creates the "insider" and "outsider". I think it's general 'ball and chain society' and life experienced society ... independents and dependents; SUV buyers and rave/party suppliers (those that are still in it for the pride; keeping in mind that even some promoters are only try to cut the "ball and chain" with money). I see a whole bunch of independents in the raving "community", all with their own style. You sound like an interesting character Ponz (I don't know if hippy was the right description); with your analystic views and what seems, philisofical stand points. If you have the time, private message me, I wanna hear what these "europe" guys have to say about raves and clubs. anywho... kiss was a blast and godspeed is going to be. peace to the community "life is a sport... some of the best players spectate before they jump in"
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i do have to agree to the point that things arent as good as it used to be....and that everything has changed....but things evolve...even if its not for the "best".....(from the point of a raver) real ravers know about the whole culture of raves (the "meaning"/understanding, so to speak).... other people just go to do drugs and "party"...... theres nothing that is gonna change that. I cant wait to go to london to experience what it is like to be around people that actually understand and appreciate the music/scene/culture, it will be refreshing. not saying there arent people like that here....theyre just a rare breed though. ( i sound like a hippy now....hehe....hippy ravers rule! ;) )
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Feb 17, 04
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^I agree w/ you hippieeee! teehee, I am also planning on going to London for similar reasons! :kimmie:
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Feb 17, 04
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funny, most comments in disagreement with the initial post seem to be coming from people below the age of 20... what is your frame of reference? How could you know what raving was before it became a massive cutural trend, if you weren't there to experience it? i don't think someone saying 'rave is dead' is trying to assert that no one goes to them anymore, that would be blatantly false - but anyone who was into this stuff back in the late 80s/early 90s when it was new, would have to admit that the 'movement' has long since lost it's inertia. it's become a stale & stagnant scene which contradicts the most important (imo) visions of it's original manifestation.
as for 'rave has changed'.... i don't wholeheartedly agree, i think the lack of change & evolution is the whole problem. not a problem if you've only been in it for less than 5 years, but a bit of a sad sight for those of us who were around when it was a really new & exciting thing.
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I think Wood layed it out the best. From talking to people that have been in the scene for a long time and say they were once part of the community but have recently removed themselves due to the lack of intertia makes the scene feel kinda small time for sure. The scene definitly seems kinda boring even though I be only raving for under what seems the 'pre-required minimum of 5 years' to know what I'm talking about. Might have to jump on that 'train' over to london some time to see what everybody is talking about. It would be an awesome experience.
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europe raves and canadian raves have the same music...only the masses differ.
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Feb 17, 04
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if anything I personally think it's growing back slowly, and not every promoter is in it for the money?
$10 a show hrm,... yeh it's gotta be for the money! lol Anywayeveryone does have their own opinion so to each their own! Cinto NNP Eric J
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Feb 18, 04
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MAKE THE PARTIES CHEAPER....i dun liek shelling over 65 for a party..then again i should buy my ticket sooner
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Feb 18, 04
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^^i totally agree
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Feb 18, 04
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^^exactly wut i was thinking
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Feb 18, 04
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we need a party that will have more than 3k people there...I'd like to see a party that will bring like twice that many ravers hahahahahahaha :kam:
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Feb 18, 04
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Feb 19, 04
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IMO the scene is thriving and with little things to do for people under the age of 19. Raving is a option for many people. Also, many clubbers are getting bored of hearing top40(which is rap/rnb) 24/7 that there branching off into other forms of partying. Also, drugs are hitting the burbs like a rainstorm. All these contribute to the scene staying alive. I mean its not as "big" as it was a few years ago when parties were every week, but you can't say the scene is dying. The scene isn't evolving which I think should happen for more people to attend. Now that Plaza is not an option for a venue the scene is at a cross road. Let's see what the promoters have up there sleeves. Also, I see in the next few years promoters starting to bring urban acts to events. We live in North America and bottom line we are a top40 nation and top40 consists of urban music. The States now have big urban acts along side with Arman and Dj Icey. Many of you may not like the "commercial" accept, but its business and I see the scene turning in that direction. It's all business people. For all you party kids, become a flyer ho and you'll slowly see how its done. `t1m
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