shouls gay marriages be legal?

[NeVeRLooKBacK]

Originally posted by ~Veni_C~
why the hell not? stupid question.
if u love someone...u love them... shouldnt matter if ur gay or not...grow up ppl! :p love is love.

good call :kam:

[Hot Karl]

um, gay marriages are legal in canada

[NeVeRLooKBacK]

Originally posted by Hot Karl
um, gay marriages are legal in canada

well Im talking bout the whole debate in the US about how its so unconstitutional

Im just trying to understand or see if anyone else understands why it is so unconstitutional

[Wood]

Originally posted by ebbomega
Is there really a debate?

Well, here at least...

uh, yeah for sure there is... the conservative alliance wants gay marriage banned again

it's been all over the news

[alia]

Its all good :) actually here (aus) it isnt... on one state it has only JUST become leagal to have homosexual sex.. (how backward no pun intended)... and I dont think any state allows same sex marrigase.... *shakes head*

australian laws are ferked... wich is actually why at least one person I know lives in canada with her gf.. as apposed to here.

anyway the trend world over seems to me to be towards more liberalism/freedom of choice.. etc.. or maybe i have nfc.. :)

A.

[ebbomega]

Originally posted by Wood


uh, yeah for sure there is... the conservative alliance wants gay marriage banned again

it's been all over the news

Well, I mean "here" as in "FnK". Since Rave culture and Gay culture are rather intrinsically cross-bred, I don't think there's too much of a debate that's gonna pick up around here.

But then again, two people voted against it. But I'm guessing it's Dale and Marty.

[SEAN!]

yeah why not...but they shouldnt make religious instuitions marry them if they dont want to..its their right to refuse based on their beliefs

[.anya]

^i feel the same way. (SEAN!)

the whole thing that's going on in the US comes down to a lot of issues having to do with the separation of church and state. i personally believe that the two should be completely separate, but the line is really blurred in the US and Canada and many other countries (esp. those who preach otherwise).

[cutienikki]

I say yes to gay marriges

I did a essay on this and one of my points is that marrige is not just a ring and a peice of paper. its another way of symbolizing their love for one another.

one of my classmates was against is and her point for being against it was because of the way they have sex. well its not like they are fucking out in the middle of the street. What they do in their private homes is none of anyones business. :finger:

obviously if you look at things with a negative thought then your not going to agree with it.

[Leviathan]

factual premise: everyone is human
factual premise: gay people are humans
factual premise: Everyone should have equal rights and should share the burden and the benefits of the society in which they live.

Value Premise: It is morally wrong to not allow gay people to marry.

Conclusion: gay people have the right to marry
“An action is morally right for a person if …in performing the action, the person does not use others merely as a means for advancing his or her own interests, but also both respects and develops their capacity to choose freely for themselves.”
Kantian Ethics

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[sidekick]

Reading all these makes me happy we have the kind of people we do on FNK :)

[Sariel]

I have to say, all the possitive response this poll has gotten has been awsome... coming from the Island, I can say it has been a lot better than what I would have thought... and a lot better than what the response would have been if this board had been full of Island kids...

Personally, I am all for it. Marriage should be based on love, not on gender

[Erin]

Originally posted by Rhianna
YES! Why the hell not? They have as much right as anyone else. Now as far as religous figures being forced to marry them. I'm not too sure about that one.

I agree. When it comes to religious things... I don't really know about that either. I do think that they should be able to be 'married' in a legal sence though.

[dj_zyx]

this is my opinion. Gay marrages should be banned because of one reason, inhumane - lacking and reflecting lack of pity or compassion; "humans are innately inhumane; this explains much of the misery and suffering in the world" sure love is love and maybe some guys are born a little on the female side. But you have to consider the factors that go along with gay marrages, the pope predicted by the time 2000 hits gay marrages will be high, abortions will be high, marrages will end, kids will goto fosters homes. There is one reason why he predicted this, birth control. Basically you can control the way you have sex. which is wrong because you can now sleep with anyone if your having a bad day or use birth control as a contraceptive. Sex should be between two people that love eachother from the opposite sex.

Now look at children growing up... they view gay marrages to be right. They make a joke about being gay, people laugh and encourage it....

[sidekick]

Originally posted by dj_zyx
Sex should be between two people that love eachother from the opposite sex.

why?

[Sammy Skillz]

Originally posted by dj_zyx
this is my opinion. Gay marrages should be banned because of one reason, inhumane - lacking and reflecting lack of pity or compassion; "humans are innately inhumane; this explains much of the misery and suffering in the world" sure love is love and maybe some guys are born a little on the female side. But you have to consider the factors that go along with gay marrages, the pope predicted by the time 2000 hits gay marrages will be high, abortions will be high, marrages will end, kids will goto fosters homes. There is one reason why he predicted this, birth control. Basically you can control the way you have sex. which is wrong because you can now sleep with anyone if your having a bad day or use birth control as a contraceptive. Sex should be between two people that love eachother from the opposite sex.

Now look at children growing up... they view gay marrages to be right. They make a joke about being gay, people laugh and encourage it....

i love a man with a strong opinion.
let's fuck.

-s.

[stringbeans]

im glad someone posted their opposing view on gay marriage... like what ebbomega dave said earlier, i really didnt think there'd be a debate on here since most people feel the same way.. and those that dont are probably afraid to post their true thoughts since they'll get flamed

ps. im for it

[diva]

Originally posted by Leviathan

Conclusion: gay people have the right to marry
“An action is morally right for a person if …in performing the action, the person does not use others merely as a means for advancing his or her own interests, but also both respects and develops their capacity to choose freely for themselves.”
Kantian Ethics

Also known as Deontology.
:)
I like Utilitarianism much better.

[ebbomega]

Originally posted by dj_zyx
this is my opinion. Gay marrages should be banned because of one reason, inhumane - lacking and reflecting lack of pity or compassion; "humans are innately inhumane; this explains much of the misery and suffering in the world" sure love is love and maybe some guys are born a little on the female side. But you have to consider the factors that go along with gay marrages, the pope predicted by the time 2000 hits gay marrages will be high, abortions will be high, marrages will end, kids will goto fosters homes. There is one reason why he predicted this, birth control. Basically you can control the way you have sex. which is wrong because you can now sleep with anyone if your having a bad day or use birth control as a contraceptive. Sex should be between two people that love eachother from the opposite sex.

Now look at children growing up... they view gay marrages to be right. They make a joke about being gay, people laugh and encourage it....

You used a cenile old man's argument, the same man who took so goddamn long to repent for actions the Vatican took during WWII, to justify your point.

That has got to be the most horribly done argument I've ever seen. Atta way to make a few logistical leaps.

Look at Leviathan's post. That's what we call "Logic".

The pope is neither a sociologist nor a psychologist, simply an overblown moralist. His opinion about the state of the world means about as much to me as Bush's: thoroughly biased and not to be trusted for anything.

[Ryan Ross]

Originally posted by dj_zyx
this is my opinion. Gay marrages should be banned because of one reason, inhumane - lacking and reflecting lack of pity or compassion; "humans are innately inhumane; this explains much of the misery and suffering in the world"

I dont get what your trying to say here... Its inhumane to allow 2 people who love each other because your particular religious viewpoint disagrees with it? Maybe try to clear that up a little, just kinda lost me there.

sure love is love and maybe some guys are born a little on the female side. But you have to consider the factors that go along with gay marrages, the pope predicted by the time 2000 hits gay marrages will be high, abortions will be high, marrages will end, kids will goto fosters homes.

Alright so lets look at this a little. Your argument is, correct me if im wrong, that the following things will accompany gay people being allowed to get married.
1. Abortions will be high. (Dont know if you know this or not, but 2 gay people getting married will do anything but cause unwanted pregnancies, unless theres something im missing...)
2.Marriages will end. (We all know that straight marriages all last forever... what makes you think that the people who are out there fighting everyday for the right to be allowed to get married will place less value on the institution than people who can get drunk in vegas and wind up married with a hangover)
3. Kids will go to foster homes. (Again, gay people dont cause unwanted pregnancies.. If anything it will create more loving homes who are looking to take care of kids who would otherwise wind up bouncing in and out of foster homes their whole live)

I fail to see how any of this is related in the least... I guess if someone predicted they would all happen then they must be hand in hand right?

There is one reason why he predicted this, birth control. Basically you can control the way you have sex.

Oh that makes sense then...Gay people will want to get married because of birth control.

which is wrong because you can now sleep with anyone if your having a bad day or use birth control as a contraceptive.

The argument of rampant liberal sex is pretty much contradictory... If you dont want people having sex with strangers because of contraception, then why not let them have commited life long relationships that are equal to what everyone else has?

Sex should be between two people that love eachother from the opposite sex.

thats cool that thats your view, theres nothing wrong with that. Your allowed to think whatever you want. I just dont see how what some people think sex "should" be can be used as a reason to limit other peoples rights. And just so you know... not letting gay people get married wont stop them from having sex... it just puts them in a different class and limits their statuses as equal members of our society.

Now look at children growing up... they view gay marrages to be right. They make a joke about being gay, people laugh and encourage it....

what?

Anyway, i dont mean to bash you or anything here. I respect that you actually voiced your opinion when its pretty apparent that everyone else thinks differently. Just wanted to point some of that stuff out.

[Pussy_Kat]

I think they should be allowed
saying they cant get married is like saying you cant marry your girlfriend of 5 years
if you love them u love them and thats the bottom line
for those who said NO
grow the fck up this isnt a perfect world and if u have a problem with the fact gay ppl are getting married u need to pull you head out of your ass so i can welcome u to the 21st century

[candytabi]

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[dj_zyx]

hey im with arnold on this one folks...

[Rayeine]

Like many have said before, everyone has the right to freedom.
Not allowing gay people the rights that they diserve is flat out racism. People may deny it, argue that.
But we are still educated about the black/white controversy..
The discrimination may not be that obvious to the public eye, but they have the right to this.hopefully people will eventually realize we are just continuing racism in making history repeat itself.
Two people love eachother....wtf man. just make it happen.

[Sammy Skillz]

Originally posted by Rayeine
Like many have said before, everyone has the right to freedom.
Not allowing gay people the rights that they diserve is flat out racism. People may deny it, argue that.
But we are still educated about the black/white controversy..
The discrimination may not be that obvious to the public eye, but they have the right to this.hopefully people will eventually realize we are just continuing racism in making history repeat itself.
Two people love eachother....wtf man. just make it happen.

i understand what you're saying but i just want to point out that homophobia has nothing to do with racisim.

both are, however, forms of discrimination. racism implies discrimination based on one's color of skin or ethnicity.

-s.