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Apr 10, 04
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Capital Punishment
Do you think that Canada should bring back capital punishment?
In my opinion, I think that it should come back, because I don't think that sick fucks like Pickton , and that guy who killed his 5 (I think it was 5) kids a while back (among many others) deserve the air they breath. Kill the mother fuckers if their guilt is beyond a reasonable doubt. what's your opinion? 
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Apr 10, 04
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well you got that all messed up, wrong guy. this is one of the reasons we don;t have capital punishment in canada, so many people get the death penalty in the u.s simply because of the sensationalism surrounding their crime in the media. as we can see from what you just wrote, people get facts mixed up by being over loaded by scare tactics.
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Apr 10, 04
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^^I think Cinist had some really good points
Further to that- In many American states they are happy to put someone on death row even if the defense has proved there is reasonable doubt to believe the accused did not commit the crime. It is not just 'only execute those who have confessed or have been proven guilty through DNA evidence' -this is actually very seldomly the case. Usually those who confess, and therefore plead guilty to crimes in exchange for a plea bargain (Look at Gary Ridgeway- his case is so similar to pickton's and he pleaded guilty so he wouldn't get the death penalty) In many, many cases, the death penalty may seem to serve justice to victim's families, but not to the wrongly accused. There are A LOT of such cases exsisting today in the USA. Oh, not to mention it is really hippocritical. I've got a lot more to say on this..but perhaps another time :p
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Apr 10, 04
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Dean - Yes it would be expensive, but supporing there asses in jail is also expensive. It's obviously contraversial. Cinist - I'm not saying that every person who gets convicted of an offense should die...just the ones who murder there families, or the serial killers who are obviously repeat offenders.
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Apr 10, 04
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and its a statistic that it costs more money to give someone the death penalty then have them in prison for life... so yeah... cant really avoid either they're both expensive
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Apr 10, 04
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Pickton killed prostitutes not his family.
And I don't agree with the death penalty for some reasons summed up by cinst. I also think spending all that time in jail is better then the easy way out. The only thing I don't agree with is that they sometimes get tv, internet, and other luxuries that I think they should be deprived of because they are in jail. People like that, if not kept by themselves, usualy get what's comming to them on the inside by fellow inmates that think they are sick fucks as well.
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Apr 10, 04
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Fuck no.. look @ our system.. capitol punishment is not the answer.. yet.
what the political leaders of our great country have to do is re evaluate the judicial system in its entirity.. change it .. have more severe penalties.. how does a man get 25 no parole for killing a child... and another get 25 but parole after 15 for killing an adult. a life is still very much a life no matter how old you are... that is one issue.. small time offenders.. like honestly everyone @ one time or another has committed a crime or endorsed one for that matter... such as the drug trade *Cough. we just need ppl to be locked up longer and have no security in the facility... bastards can kill themselves.. and kicked in the teeth etc. not killed that solves nothing... (In my personal opinion)
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Apr 10, 04
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its a hard call. you never really know if someoen did it or not. But, if it were to come back, i think they should bring back the guillotine. then you televise it, so people then see, 'you kill someone, your head will roll' and then harvest their organs and give them to those who need a new kidney/heart/etc.....
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Apr 10, 04
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Actually.. that wouldnt happen in canada... i wouldnt put it past the americans tho Last edited by PHOTONIC; Apr 10, 04 at 10:32 PM.
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Apr 10, 04
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Capital Punishment is Televised in China... and as for expensive? lol Not really... how much does a single bullet to the base of the skull cost? Something like $0.30, I head that even the Chinese Government bills the family of the convicted/executed felon for it as well. Isn't Communism grand? :D I think that it could be brought back... I'm not pleased with the fact that when you've got Multiple Murderers and Offenders in prison with Golf and HBO?! Excuse me? I don't even have Cable at my house! And I haven't killed anyone! Save me some Cash, take a couple out back and Go Beijing on them. Maybe throw a couple Car Theives in there and fire a blank at them and keep them in Isolation so everyone thinks they are dead. Maybe we'd see a bit of a decline in Car Theft here.
DEATH PENALTY FUN FACT: - On December 10, 1962, Arthur Lucas and Robert Turpin were the last people to be executed in Canada.
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Apr 11, 04
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BC has a wonderful revolving door for criminals, who drain our tax money on stupid shit. For instance: the Mission minimum institution's inmates, go once a year deep sea diving off the coast, as well as get a full golf course, a olympic swimming pool, free food - steak, etc. And can have visitors. That's our tax money hard at work. Sure, they pick up garbage on the side of the road - woop de fucking do.
We pay enough money keeping *trying* to keep these asses in prison. I say, an eye for an eye. We dont have many murders in BC (well, we have lately) but overall, we dont see much. And to those who are tried and convicted of 1st degree murder should always either be life in prison WITHOUT parole (which costs us almost $200/mo in tax - per inmate) or the death penalty. Capital punishment should definantly be implemented, but it never will be. Too much controversy.
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Apr 11, 04
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so if somebody gets executed for killing another person, and then is later evidence emergences proving that persons innocence, does that mean the judge gets executed? or the jury?
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Apr 11, 04
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--Joanne :P
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Apr 11, 04
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Death is an easy way out. I say let them sit in jail.
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Apr 11, 04
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nah leaving em in jail for the rest of their livexs is both cheaper and harsher punishment...
also so many peoplke are wrongly convicted because they cant afford good lawyers and shit like that...only if the justice system was perfectly flawless could someone even begin to make a justifiable arguement for capital punishm,ent.
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Apr 11, 04
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also if i was a cirminal and i had the prospect of sitting in jail for the rest of my life or being executed for a crime i commit, i sure as fuck would be a hell of alot more violent then otherwise.
if you make the situation that much more intense and the consequences that much higher, criminals for sure would be more likely to do extreme shit....id be busting caps left and right....most people who do mass murders and shit like that are fucked up anyway, i dont think capital punishment or longer jail sentences would be much of a deterant for them because they do that shit wihtout taking it into consideration....as far career criminals, they are usually lazy and greedy, and the monetary rewards are so high for them its worth taking the risks. Last edited by SEAN!; Apr 11, 04 at 06:32 AM.
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Apr 14, 04
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well now that my exams are over and I have a lot more time on my hands, I figure I'd respond to this.
from a victim's loved one's viewpoint, I would totally be for the death penalty. can you imagine if anyone seriously hurt or killed someone you loved and cared about?? I'd want them dead, no questions asked. and a lot of people say that rotting in jail is worse than death.. but doesn't it ever make you wonder why so many killers opt to confess to get life in jail instead of the death penalty? but from a practical point of view, I am against it. as I've already mentioned, the costs of capital punishment is harder on us taxpayers than it is with life imprisonment. second of all, there isn't really any research indicating that countries with capital punishment have less incidence of violent crimes whatsoever. if you look at a country's homocide rate with the death penalty and compare to when a country removes the death penatly, there won't be much of a difference. overall, the death penalty does not seem to be much of a help in specific OR general deterrence. on top of that people may start to believe that, hey, if the government can kill the bad guys, why can't I? this can totally desensitize people to the idea of killing a live human being and what kind of message does vengeance give to society anyway? as for wrongful convictions, to be totally honest, I'd rather 100 criminals go free than a single man be wrongfully executed. that to me, is not justice in the least bit. --Joanne :P
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Apr 14, 04
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i think that capital punishment should be in effect only for those that have confessed or have solid evidence against them, and only if they have killed numerous people on numerous occasions. in some places in the states, people are executed much too freely.
murderers in prison should have it much harder though, and shouldnt be treated the same as people convicted of theft, etc.
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Apr 14, 04
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