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Jun 11, 04
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Wow...
As for Fadedsignal's comment that religious people are happier, it is absolutely true. Religious people have a couple of things less to worry about. Let me explain. Ignorance ia happiness, right? When you are brainwashed by religions, the answer to everything is "it was God's mysterious plan" or something of that sort. This way you don't have to dig deep down the brain and realize things that you never wanted to know, ugly things about yourself, your loved once, about people's nature. All those nice things that Bible teaches you, you must realize yourself; otherwise, you'll never know why some things are good and some are bad. In the process of descovering "the good and the bad" you will find out who you are, not in the process of reading what was descovered by other smart people. I truly beleive that people wouldn't go as far as being able to, for example, create a computer if noone ever asked questions and question every answer. As far as I know, you are not suppose to question Bible, Tora or Koran...and that is sad. Honestly, I am not a mean rude person, I am simply strong-opinioned (is that even a word?). Last edited by Water; Jun 11, 04 at 04:39 PM. 
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Science is beautiful but equally flawed as religion. PS: For an athiest who believes that religion promotes ignorance, you're getting FUCKING OWNED by a lot of spiritual people.
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Jun 11, 04
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i had religion forced on me when i was a kid (judaism) and i never bought into it then and still don't.
i don't understand it's purpose or why it draws so many people, but you know what, if it really helps some people then that's fine, as long as no one tries to push it on me. i've had quite enough of that thank you. so yeah, i'm an atheist. i don't believe in god, but i believe in my own conscience to let me know when i'm doing wrong and to guide me in the right direction.
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Jun 11, 04
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it's hard to describe what i believe.....but here goes:
-i don't necesarily believe in a god(s) myself ............ but i don't discount the possibility of there being one either. -and even though i don't believe in a god(s) being real.......i believe that there is a god(s) to those that do believe in them. like, god(s) is real to them. blah.....i'm prolly not making any sense at all
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Jun 13, 04
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Okay. Well...I agree only with those who dont believe in God and all of his creations. I disagree with everyone else.
I will stick to my knowledge/opinions because I only trust myself. God doesn't exist. Religion is for idiots (uneducated)....blah blah... You get my point. And if god did exist, i want to tell him: F*** YOU, GOD! You make me angry, you sick f***!! Get lost! You screwed everything up!!##@%@%^#^#^!!! Everything is BS! Science is real and religion isnt! Thank god that nobody teaches religion anymore!!! When I go outside I dont see any EVIDENCE of God's existence, *KeLLnEsS*!!! What makes you think that what is outside looks like something God made? I dont understand you. Besides, most of the things ( some are claimed to be "natural") are made by us. Filthy human beings.
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Jun 13, 04
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the whole concept of science as a truth relies on the idea that what we have learned from science is that it has worked for us in the past and till this point in time. We cannot guarantee 100% that it won't be different the next day, or that something else will come up to disprove our theories. after all, science is not 100% full-proof. science can fail to reject a hypothesis, but science cannot always fully accept a hypothesis. take for example the hypothesis that all cows have 1 head. all it will take is to see a single two-headed cow before your hypothesis becomes completely null and void. science simply cannot explain all. you say you can trust yourself but how can you be sure that all the science around you is a total lie and God has fooled you into thinking that all around you is real? and even if that were not true, we all know that everyone has subjective views on the world. so how can you say that your reality of the outside world is anymore real than a religious person's? there are no real absolute truths in the world. In my opinion, whether it be a religious person having faith in God or some sort of diety, or a non-religious person having faith that science's theories will still work the same way tomorrow and the day after that, I believe it is faith that keeps the world going round. Quote:
--Joanne :P
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Jun 13, 04
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religion is a touchy subject so i'm not gonna go too deep but i do believe in God and try to follow the faith. there are so many things that just cannot be explained. the science theory of creation, the explantion for individual intelligence, personality, identity, the weather, the stars in the sky, the beauty of art, the thousand species of animals, life... its pretty hard to imagine all that evolving from a big explosion outta nowhere. Science explains alot but once you start getting more educated beyond high school, you'll realize how there are too many things that are just unexplainable. such an aweomse incredible power far beyond mother nature must have been responsible.... i wonder if you really are for real or you're just trying to stir shit but regardless, that was probably one of the stupidest responses regarding religion vs science i have ever read.
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Jun 13, 04
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wow way to bring out the big question here.
i for one don't belive in a god or the devil for that matter. i belive that god was created by people who wanted to use it to gain control over people, thats where religion started. those who created it, i must say, where quite smart. they can get all these people to do whatever they want them too by saying thats its gods will and badabing its done. of course god is so loving that everyone has to love him so he can't be responsible for any bad, so they created the devil. all through out time there have been things in life that no one could understand... and before we as humans started to learn where things came from, why most stuff happend, something had to be created so that people could feel secure and not have to worry about those things.... thats where the beliefe of god(s) started... the need to explain the unexplainable. also, why so many people force other people to believe what they do is b/c than it makes them think that if all these people believe too that maybe they are right and they loose that loss of insicurity for the moment. thats why religious wars break out all over the world.. no one wants to be wrong or have the possibility of being wrong, it kills there cloud of security. so instead of having that happen the decide to kill all who appose them.. sick. i believe in being happy and doing everything to make that happen, and also the happieness of those i care about matters too, i think all that matters is that people should do their best to just be good people, and some need to stop trying to control others to make them be just like themselves... variety is a good thing, it makes the world a more interesting place. thats my bit and peace to those who are still in the search for their answer.
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Jun 13, 04
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I am not uneducated, I am angry!
I read numerous books about the meaning of life, spirituality, and religion. And I didnt believe in any of that stuff. (well...maybe except for Special relativity) I want to start promoting Atheism... Quote:
Clearly, Human Beings are the "higher power" ( at least in our galaxy). That's all Im going to say for this message thread. it seems to be pointless and even impossible to convince somebody that God doesnt exist. Screw that! I'll just read what other people have to say. :multi:
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Jun 13, 04
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To call religous people uneducated, just proves how uneducated you on the topic of religion or science.
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Jun 13, 04
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one of the ten commandmends: "thou shalt not kill" or however it goes
kinda ironic wouldn't you say? since almost ALL of the wars in mankind's history have been religious .. if not all of them having the religions as the root of the causes .. not to mention numerous genocides during the 90s
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Jun 13, 04
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how can humans possibly be the higher power in the "galaxy"?
we cant even get a human on mars. besides, humans have enough trouble dealing with the problems on earth. we cant handle the complexities of horrible diseases like aids and cancer... and while we're on that more new dieseases spring outta nowhere. there are people who can convince otheres that either God does exist or doesn't.... and it's hahahaah DEFINETLY not you! the theory of existentialism is maybe something you should look into if your mission is to show people the atheist light. but i think you should just shut up.
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Jun 13, 04
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we all make mistakes. and it also shows how seriously people take their spiritual beliefs.
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that just goes to show you that religion is utter and total bullshit god must be looking at the blueprint of man and scratching his head and saying .. "shit.. where the fuck did i go wrong?"
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here's something from some Christian's perspective: http://www.christiancounterculture.com/cc_11015.html --Joanne :P
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Jun 17, 04
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Just a thought here - I do not believe in God myself, but I do like to make people think..
Every religion/belief structure has it's idea's about God, how he/she went about creation, and why we are here. Even the "pagan" beliefs generally have mother earth as a goddess, with a human-like form when she chooses. Hell, look at the religions that were the predeccesors of Christianity, Muslim, and the other current world religions... Roman, Green, Nordic, etc... They also all had their own idea's and beliefs in these higher powers... but somewhere along the line, people decided they were wrong, and beliefs changed. Give it a few hundred or thousand years more, and beliefs will probably change again.... But just because someone believes something, and can make others believe the same thing for hundreds or thousands of years, does not mean they have it right. What if God really does exist, but everthing that anyone has ever believed about him is just plain wrong? Again, this is not what I personally believe, but just thought I would put the question out there for people to ponder.
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Jun 17, 04
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As to your point about religious people being uneducated, you know they give out degrees in theology, right?
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Jun 17, 04
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I've long since considered myself a Gnostic.
Lately I've been thinking towards Discordianism. Just because, hey, Eris is fun. Basically, one of the main things that I've noticed is that all Religions are just fuckups of the same thing: Judeo-Christianity, Muslim, Taoism, Buddhism, Physics, Paganism, Shamanism, Wicca, Druidism, Kaballah, Enoch.... they're all the same thing saying the same thing just using different languages to say it. Science is the funnest one because it's actually trying to explain the paradoxes of the world. I highly recommend that people check out the writings of Robert Anton Wilson for the weird mystical qualities of Science. "Coincidence is a superstition created by scientists to explain synchronicity" - Someone, maybe Wilson? I'm not exactly certain. I recommend everybody check out Celestine Prophecy for a horribly written yet poignant look at modern day spirituality. The only reason people aren't seeing That Which We'd Call God in the world today is because we're relying on cryptic two-thousand-year-old-plus texts overtranslated and completely misinterpreted, not to mention severely out of date... One of my favourite arguments with Christians is the whole homosexuality one, because they always quote Deuteronomy. My next question is more often than not "Have you _READ_ Deuteronomy?" and then proceed to give them about 8 reasons why they're living their lives wrong according to Deuteronomy. There's nothing more fun than arguing with Christians who know less about the Bible than you do.
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Jun 17, 04
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i totally believe in god, i dont believe in religion, i think when we die our being turns into its pure state (energy) and we are free to roam the cosmos, i believe god is nothing more then a being who can manipulate energy to his will.
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Jun 17, 04
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Science is like reverse mathematics (except for the stuff that _is_ mathematics). It's an attempt to label phenomena. It is neither mutually exclusive to religion nor does it require no leaps of faith. Atheism, IMHO, is just like every other religion. As such, it's screwing up the idea. If you wanna be an evangelist about it, feel free to go spread the word (but something tells me you don't have much new to say). But for the love of whatever, don't look down on people simply because they happen to ascribe to a different personal faith in how the world exists.
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