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Jun 14, 04
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Underground Parties, 6-2's and other stuff you should consider
As most of you should know by now, there's an epidemic of shutdowns plaguing the underground scene in Vancouver. While some of them could have been prevented or just shouldn't have happened (IE: people smoking where they shouldn't, sloppy planning, lack of discretion, etc), there have been some scary shutdowns lately (IE: Groove 2 shutdown by the city for no other reason than "it was an illegal rave")
It is my belief that one of the only solutions to this problem is finding new, more discreet venues. However, this proves to be quite the difficult task (finding venue owners that will even consider an 'illegal rave' being the hardest part). Most of the promoters I know that are involved in underground parties (including myself) are in the process of scouring the city for new places to use as venues. Many people I've spoken to lately have lost faith in the underground scene, or view it as "dead". (again, once we find some new key venues all should be good again... for awhile.. which in a sense is the essence of the underground scene.. but I won't get into that now, so on to the main point...) The main thing on my mind is keeping the scene alive, keeping the newbies coming into the scene, and avoiding another "rave recession". So the big question I am putting forth to everyone is... While we struggle to repair our underground scene, would legal 6pm-2am parties (such as Fever, and alot of parties that went on before 2001) be an acceptable outlet for your between-massive raving needs? While the obvious downside is the early closing time, benefits would include bigger parties that are still much cheaper than massives, the possibility of bringing in headliners to shows that normally wouldn't be able to afford them (size to budget ratio), and most importantly, no premature shutdowns. Keep in mind I am not advocating this type of party, but merely fishing for opinions in a effort to keep the scene on life support while we scramble to find ways to get around shut-downs. 
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Jun 14, 04
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And just to reassure everybody, no the underground scene isn't dead. While the majority of parties have been getting shut down lately, it's obvious that the new venues have been doing well (Elevation.. cops didn't even show up, despite being blocks away from the police station, and 2 The Moon.. the details of which I am not sure about, but I'm pretty sure it was in a new venue).. There is still hope!
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Jun 14, 04
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^Very true. Any signs of booze also = instant shutdown.
Sometimes it's luck... as long as the cops are nice, and you are under capacity, know where the emergency exits are (you gotta have em for this condition to work :P), have some form of security, and most importantly, there are no complaints from neighbours, they should leave you alone.
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Jun 14, 04
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Its summertime why not plan more parties outdoors? I understand the drive out to chilliwack is not for everyone but there has to more outdoor venues closer to van that could accomadate a smaller party. Personally loved the vibe and line ups of Godspeed and History of Breaks but way to hot and stuffy. Come on people its BC don't take your weather here forgranted, I have been to more then a few outdoor parties in Alberta where it snowed on us in May or later on in the summer. Plus there are no mesquitos that can carry you away
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Jun 14, 04
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^That is also an option that a friend and I have been looking into for a while now. There's a great spot, we just have to acquire it :)
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Jun 14, 04
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Yes, Drug Information is something that I want to bring back into the parties, at least with brochures available and as always, a clearly marked first aid area.
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Jun 14, 04
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you even have people coming on fnk and saying retarded things like "my friend just told me getting high on e happens when your brain rubs on your skull and bleeds" and "that stuff is gonna drain your spinal fluid" half the people doing these drugs actually have no idea at all what the drug is doing what so ever (which i find quite sad)... its not like its hard info to find
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Jun 15, 04
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One of the things that I'm very happy about the Island is the fact that pill testing sites are encouraged. I've heard countless times Constable Rintoul go on a big rant about how Pill Testing is never 100%. Yeah, but neither are condoms, but I don't go around telling people that those are bad ideas. WRITE YOUR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. Get Pill Testing at raves so that we have less kids flailing on some drug they don't know. The best part of that is that if anything it'll help clean out the quality of the drugs so we have less people doing 4 or 5 pills mostly padded with meth.
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Jun 15, 04
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all it takes is a police officer standing next to the booth. pill out in the open? goodbye.
if he catches someone giving a pill to a person manning the booth for testing, or someone giving a pill back after testing, well then you can get nailed for trafficking. annoying.
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Jun 15, 04
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i wish the police would adopt a policy that was more focused on harm reduction while persecuting dealers...no matter what, drugs and their ill effects are never gonna go away so we should just focus on minimizng their effect. i think honest drug education would go a long way, we cant just say drugs are bad and think that kids are just gonna beleive it. we need to start taking people to the dt eastside and show what drugs really do to people.
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Jun 15, 04
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not only should the kids be educated with harm reduction and what not...but also the authoritys and the parents and last but not least the MEDIA should be educated about our culture as well.
They are so ignorant towards our culture and its frusterating. Perhaps maybe if they got educated first hand by people who are in the scene then maybe thier opinions will change. Also, what happened to throwing parties on the rez`s around van and the valley? I mean cops cant go on the rez right ?
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Jun 15, 04
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I think the idea of 6-2 raves would work until you guys can find new venues......even though it will be over sooner it will have less of a chance of getting shut down by the cops and would open up the option for longer after parties.........but I also think promoters should have a couple people trained in first aid on staff
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Promotors should definately consider having medical personnel present at their parties. Not only does it give some assurance to the cops if they show up, but to the party goers as well. Last edited by bungoshlung; Jun 15, 04 at 04:29 AM.
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Jun 15, 04
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do the smaller parties in van have any kind of security there, when i throw parties i bring in like 3 security peeps for the door nothing crazy not even for the crowd controll or anything just for cops, so when they come they see that we have shit on lock down. they always leave and let us party :)
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Jun 15, 04
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I know this has nothing to do with the post but I just thought I would mention something...
A lot of you have expressed concern/aggrivation with the cost of our shows present and in past. I think now, all of you are becoming more and more aware of the magnitude of the cost involved with throwing a legal massive.
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Jun 15, 04
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Better discreet venues, better parties.
Crappy venue's, busted parties! :(
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Jun 15, 04
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I tried to buy a water bottle from frogprincess at teh last agro party but only had $2.00 Cdn. and the water was $3.00 Cdn. so she opened the bottle and poured out some and said here is your $2.00 of water! what a bitch!
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Jun 15, 04
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I dont think 6 - 2 will work as it seems more like a high school dance.
I wish van could adopt a policy the same as seattle have affortable smaller venues, which legit from 9- 4.
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