Brett Hull signed with the Coyotes hahaha.

[KenJi]

Wise move or just a useless move to try and increase publicity and popularity for phoenix.

[u_kno_it]

are you for real man if he is, what is he a coach or an assistant?

[KenJi]

go check. No joke its on tsn.com and nhl.com

http://nhl.com/onthefly/news/2004/08/216730.html

go check that, and he is a player lol. i thin khe is gonna play till he passes gordie howe for second place on the all time list for goals scored haha

he's off by 70 i believe

[de-ken]

isnt he in his 40s?

i dun follow hockey much... but i think its a move to secure more money for life after hockey

[KenJi]

if he needs any lol. he's been playing for like 18 seasons. i guess an extra 4.5 million won't hurt him.

[Antenna_Boy]

I am thinking that Detroit lost him to the Pheonix Coyotes because he is too old for their team. Because The Wings are aging, dumping old players with high salaries and bringing in new, more youthful blood at a lesser expense is more of a better investment. So as for Pheonix signing the raging slap shot meister, it would be more of a move which would bring more experience and veteranship to the team. That is why Gretzky got him, like we got Mike Keane from Dallas :)

[KenJi]

^ ya most likely I mean what does Brett Hull have left in his game. The only things left he could do with his career is break gordie howe's 801 goal's and become second on the all time list for goals, and thats about it.

He's 40, way past his prime, all he has left is his experience, but I honestly can't see Phoenix being a playoff team for at least another 2 or 3 years. Hull's contract is only for 2 years, than I think he is gonna be done regardless if Phoenix makes the playoff's or not.

One thing I can say though is if the season is say cut in half to 40 or 45 games, alot of teams that normally woudln't make it into the playoff's have a very good chance of making it. Considering if they can win say 20-30 games they may make the playoffs

[Antenna_Boy]

^I agree with you Kenji!!! :)-> if the season is cut in half, that generally leaves teams like the canucks leading the pack, the underdogs behind as usual(because we all know teams like calgary always make the last sprint near the end of the regular season to catch up in the standings), and the best teams struggling early. That would create a fair playing field amongst ALL the teams, not just for the "worst."

On the other hand, I can sort of see Pheonix being in the playoffs. There is something hidden within that team that we have yet to see. I believe they are a Lord Stanley Cup contender, just like every other team, and MAYBE Brett Hull will add some spark "this year" if there is a season. I think Pheonix will be better, and chances are I think they will be higher in the standings unlike last season.

For future reference, look to see that the new season will be very different. Every team will experience some turmoil, and if Calgary has not shown the NHL what a low budget team can do, expect to see an overall flip in play by all the teams in the League (if the NHL is still around for that matter). Teams that generally lose, will be better and tougher to beat, especially in the Western Conference :(

[KenJi]

well one thing I can say is parity in the league is at an all time high. I mean look at the regular season standings.

10 100 point teams. Thats unheard of, it just goes to show how much more level the playing field has become. Even more so look at #1 and #2. Detroit 109 points, followed by Tampa only 3 points behind at 106pts.

but ya if its shortned to 40 games the canucks will do well. I mean canucks always do well for the first 30 games of the season for the last 3 to 4 years. They been leading in standings twice in december. they always slow down after the all star break usually.

cept for 2001

[KenJi]

Originally Posted by Antenna_Boy

On the other hand, I can sort of see Pheonix being in the playoffs. There is something hidden within that team that we have yet to see. I believe they are a Lord Stanley Cup contender, just like every other team, and MAYBE Brett Hull will add some spark "this year" if there is a season. I think Pheonix will be better, and chances are I think they will be higher in the standings unlike last season.

I agree there for sure, but I don't know how much of a point increase it will be. These things are tough to call.

they had what 70 points last year?

basically first t hing they n eed to is get to a 500 level meaning wins and losses are even. At that pace they have a good chance to get into the playoff's

[Antenna_Boy]

Originally Posted by KenJi

I agree there for sure, but I don't know how much of a point increase it will be. These things are tough to call.

they had what 70 points last year?

basically first t hing they n eed to is get to a 500 level meaning wins and losses are even. At that pace they have a good chance to get into the playoff's

For Phoenix, the key is GOALTENDING! You look at Nikolai Khabibulin or even Sean Burke when they had their share in the net for the desert dogs. When the goalies were on their game, Phoenix was producing more wins(goes without saying for ANY team). Last year in the regular season, not one of their goalies got over 20 wins! How pathetic is that!? Brian Boucher(10-19-10 record) is resigned to another year, and if he can pull out another 5 consecutive shutout(332:01 hrs) record and have more wins, then definitely the 'yotes have a chance. If not, then they eat out of the food bowl. And to top it all off, Shane Doan was their leading point getter with a "whopping" 68 points. Now, can Brett Hull help any of these players with some point getting? :070: We shall soon find out! :D

[Belms]

i think signing brett hull will add "some" offense to the coyotes but i mean not enough to even consider them a contender. Like u said if Boucher pulls off another 5 game shutout streak and more wins then they have a chance. The odds of that 5 game shutout streak happenin again is slim to none. Good on Gretzky for signing a famous player so he can attract more fans to the shit team he has. More money yes, stanley cup contenders no.

[Antenna_Boy]

It's all about the money! MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY!!!!!! THAT IS ALL I HEAR ALL THE TIME! WHOEVER PLAYED FOR FUN? :( Heheh, well, now that that is out of my system, time for some coffee :)

[KenJi]

Originally Posted by Antenna_Boy

For Phoenix, the key is GOALTENDING! You look at Nikolai Khabibulin or even Sean Burke when they had their share in the net for the desert dogs. When the goalies were on their game, Phoenix was producing more wins(goes without saying for ANY team). Last year in the regular season, not one of their goalies got over 20 wins! How pathetic is that!? Brian Boucher(10-19-10 record) is resigned to another year, and if he can pull out another 5 consecutive shutout(332:01 hrs) record and have more wins, then definitely the 'yotes have a chance. If not, then they eat out of the food bowl. And to top it all off, Shane Doan was their leading point getter with a "whopping" 68 points. Now, can Brett Hull help any of these players with some point getting? :070: We shall soon find out! :D

good point. with good goaltending any team can become a contender. i me an honestly would calgary have even beeen in the playoff's if it wasnt for kippersof?

i think phoenix needs a reliable goaltender like Khabibulin. Boucher is too unpredictable not stable enough. Sure he made a modern day record. I would rather have a goalie ween frequently than all games for two weeks than none for the rest of the season./

Shane Doan was alright last season but definetly nees help.

[Antenna_Boy]

One thing that I have been thinking of is this: When the Vancouver Canucks (as an underdog) went into the finals with New York, the seasons after they hit major slumps and sucked. Look at Anaheim when they went into the finals only to lose. Where are they now? They suck and no offense but their goalies suck too. So if the statistics prove correct, the Calgary Flames will suck this season coming up :(

[e_BoY]

Fucking Bret Hull that stupid American (was born in canada though). Fuck that stupid cocksucking oldy. For phoenix i guess it does give them some experiance. Bret Hull is way past his prime but he still has some what of a shot left and will contribute in points with a little. Overall i dont give a fuck and i hope he gets injured during the season.

[Hot Karl]

you guys are nuts.

hull is good for a solid 15g's on the powerplay alone, 55+pts. and they said he'd missed like 4 games in all his years in detroit. even at 40 he's still got a shot better than 85% of the nhl. just park the guy in the slot, like he has been his whole career.

and he has a history of playing well with young skilled players. ie:datsyuk.

i'd love to have hull here for 2.25mill, even if he's a bit jerky

[Antenna_Boy]

In the 2003-2004 hockey season, Brett Hull made $5 million bucks! I would rather buy Martin St. Louis who made $1.5 million last year, and upgrade his payroll to your offer on Brett Hull. Here is a link for everyone to check out to see how much the NHL doled out to the hockey stars last season:
http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/hocke...ion.aspx?pos=4

[KenJi]

Originally Posted by Antenna_Boy

One thing that I have been thinking of is this: When the Vancouver Canucks (as an underdog) went into the finals with New York, the seasons after they hit major slumps and sucked. Look at Anaheim when they went into the finals only to lose. Where are they now? They suck and no offense but their goalies suck too. So if the statistics prove correct, the Calgary Flames will suck this season coming up :(

Its called Stanley Cup Syndrom. Yes they even have a name for it lol.
Its when a team that shouldn't be there makes it to the final only to lose. Its happened now to Calgary this year, Anaheim last year. Also happened to Florida when Jovo and the panthers went to the finals, and also happened to washington when they made it to the finals on ly to get swept.

its wierd how that happens, and it takes those teams years to build up, washington needs alot more time lo l.

canucks are a better team than during the 90's if only they ciould mix the playoff's ingredients it would be perfect.

Hull did have 68 points, but thats on a pretty steller team with very good passers don't forget, and he also had excellent snipers to pass too.

Will be interesting to see how well he adjusts

[Hot Karl]

Originally Posted by Antenna_Boy

In the 2003-2004 hockey season, Brett Hull made $5 million bucks! I would rather buy Martin St. Louis who made $1.5 million last year, and upgrade his payroll to your offer on Brett Hull. Here is a link for everyone to check out to see how much the NHL doled out to the hockey stars last season:
http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/hocke...ion.aspx?pos=4

um, wtf are you talking about? do you know what free agent means?

by your logic, the canucks should wait around every year, and just wait till an underpaid player has a breakout year, and then buy him from the team he plays for, at a ridiculously low price.

my point is, for about 2mill 55+pts a year is decent in the current nhl. of course i'd love vancouver to get st.louis for 5million or whatever.

but i live in reality.

[Antenna_Boy]

[quote=Hot Karl]um, wtf are you talking about? do you know what free agent means?

by your logic, the canucks should wait around every year, and just wait till an underpaid player has a breakout year, and then buy him from the team he plays for, at a ridiculously low price.
QUOTE]

Yes Karl, I do know what free agent means, and to specifically broaden your definition of free agent I throw in my wording for you:
Free Agent:A professional athlete who has-the right to deal with any club of his choosing whose contract with his most recent team has expired, allowing him to sign a new contract with any team that makes him an offer!

And you know what? Since we had Brian Burke, the most part, if not ALL of the part we had him, he has always been price shopping for the best deals. How do you think we scored Marcus Naslund? How do you think Jovo? What about Morrison? So I think my logic is in place. You should have another reality check because in today's world of hockey, it's not about buying the best quality player at a high price, it is about shopping around for potentially/future GOOD quality player at a lower cost.

Going back to what Kenji said is more accurate. Playing on a team with damn good passers and point-getters makes you a better player. So, you have to look at Shane Doan of Phoenix with 68 points: on a crappy team, Brett Hull of Detroit with 68 points: on an elite team....:070:? Hmmm, how can you say paying over 2 million dollars on a 40 year old is worth it?! Look at Mark Messier(43 yrs old going on 44 yrs old)...he was too old when he played his last game. Think about how Hull is feeling right now..pretty damn old if you ask me :)

[Hot Karl]

and what does messier have to do with this?

like i said, hull has missed literally 4-5 games in his 3 years in detroit. the guy still gets the job done, and like i said, 2 million is not overpaying for 55+ points per year. overpaying you say? well then, i bring the case of brendan morrison. most points ever? 71, last year? 60. well he's gettin 3.5 mill. where as hull has outscored him the last 3 years combined. yet hull's at 2.25mill. and a team of superstars? fine, but nobody on detroit has scored 40 goals in the last 3 seasons. where as vancouver has naslund and bertuzzi. so morrison is playing on the same line with bigger stars. (btw: i don't hate morrison. i'm just sayin)

your argument is full of holes. hull has NEVER been a bust. he's a proven performer. with playoff experience. and he scores big goals. and veteran leadership goes a long way. something vancouver really needs. because we fold up like a cheap tent.

btw: you don't know what you're talking about. naslund/jovo were on keenan's watch. and we're just lucky naslund resigned here for a bullshit 5 million. the guy's worth 7-8 easy.

one last thing, i know the "new" nhl is about younger/cheaper players. but the fact remains, people like you have been absolutely brainwashed by brian burke. we sold out every fucking game last season. we signed todd to an 8 million dollar contract. if 2 million is breaking the bank, then how come these owners still have the team? what type of business man loses (apparently) millions year after year. it's called BULLSHIT. this team has money to spend. simple as that. and yet we don't spend any.

[Hot Karl]

grinders in this league make 1.5-2 sometimes.

i'd rather have hull than an overglorified grinder.

[Silverwinged]

I fucking hate Brett Hull so much, I don't care where they put him as long as he dies, or breaks both his legs and can never skate again.

That is all.

[KenJi]

Why ?

by the way yes grinder and even goon's make a million a season now. its real sad.