Behavioural sink and its relation to stress and enlarged thyroids

[Akeel]

http://people.moreheadstate.edu/stud...hesis.doc.html

interesting read...no references though so its all speculation...but makes me wonder if i should move to langley...

[Akeel]

yep...way over the heads of all you idiots.

[wundergirl]

come on now...just because no one cares about a thread enough to reply doesn't make them an idiot. it wan't gonna post this, but if it'll make you happy....

i've read alot of tom wolfe...i like him. but his ideas, and the opinion of this paper are painfully narrowminded and lacking in perspective. like most american authors of his time and genre, wolfe's views are limited to solely that of the american perspective. under the assupmtion that the theory of sink is correct, wolfe and the author of this paper are unable to see beyond the american border. what are they missing? AIDS for one. The genocide being experienced by the Sudanese is another. How about the widespread poverty and starvation across thrid world countries? David Suzuki will be the first to tell you that this dreaded "population collapse" is well under way on a global scale. (Granted, Suzuke's got other anwers to the question causality.) the point is, the animals in those experiments weren't part of a global community, and we are.
the author of this paper can sit and worry all he wants to about homosexualoity, crime, the "thuggish" residents of hamilton, ohio as far as i'm concerned, pining away on a concept born in the sixties, but he's missed the boat altogether.

according to this study, in global terms, canada and the us are "leader rats" and the rest of the world loses out.

this said, it obviously doesn't matter if you move to langley or not.

also, i'd be surprised if whoever wrote that paper even got a passing grade.

[Akeel]

i disagree since this phenomenon could occur on a smaller scale particularly on a city level. examining anything on a global level is subjective at best...but then again so is everything without stats.

[babygirlazn]

too much to comprend right now from drinking last night i'll read and post my thoughts later

[wundergirl]

touche, akeel. i just can't help looking at issues like this on a bigger scale. for me it helps define the importance the issue. but it's really just a matter of perspective tho, neither of which are more valid than the other.



props on a thought provoking thread by the way. few and far between.

[Akeel]

i like you.

ps.

you're not an idiot.

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I second this.

[mapleleaf4ever]

Interesting Article Akeel... makes me wonder if I'd be affected since my Thyroid is messed up already. If you look at it, this article would explain a few things. Like why when I'm in Rush Hour Traffic I want to get out and rip the heart out of the Driver in front of me doing 30 in an 80 zone...

[timmmay]

it makes me think about the way the world is changing, and makes some valid points, but again, there are not any references or other documentation to prove such a theory (YET). although it seems that it would make sense, as a form of human Population control....

[sNyx]

Originally Posted by babygirlazn

too much to comprend right now from drinking last night i'll read and post my thoughts later

Please edit your post accordingly.
We don't need two useless comments from you in this well discussed thread.

[galaxie]

I've always thought that all the diseases we face at this time were nature's form of population control, as shitty as it is.

I definitely agree with the idea in the article, but I'd like to see it proven on a larger-scale. The thing I most disagree with is the homosexuality theory. If this were true, then only people who live in the heart of the city would be homosexual, but that's most definitely not the case, so I think it's bs. Everything else is plausible.

[mapleleaf4ever]

Well if you look at where the majority of "Non-Straight" people live... West End anyone?

[SEAN!]

i read it...i can beleive some of what he says about our behaviour being a consequence of our environment but i beleive theres more to our behaviour then simply enviornmental conditions. this article is trash, just read this passage.

"The average rats showed signs of violence, aggravation, homo and bi-sexuality, and all showed increasing signs of cancer and other diseases. The interesting connection here is that by my own observations, the same things seem to be happening in the world today. Homosexuality is rising, so is violence and the rise of cancers and diseases in the average humans."

statistics show the violent crime rate has actually fallen consistently and dramatically since 1996, and (IMO)this decline is likely a result of demographic changes and improved economic conditions. Is homosexualtiy rising or is it just becomeing more excepted and openly pratice, many would agreee that it is the later and that homosexual behaviour is not increasing.

when i read statements like that within the first few paragraphs of a piece of academic writing i find it very difficult to beleive that there will be any valid arguments or ideas found within the following text.

the idea of the less intelligent or bellow average rats smacks of racism atleast when you take it into the context of american cities. in american cities guess who the majority of the inner city dwellers are, they are visible minorities. This theory dosnt work very well when we exam vancouver, as only the affluent are the ones living in the Vancouver proper(save for the DT east side and commercial drive, as even people who live in other parts of east van are still fairly affluent in relative terms.) And everyone knows which area in this city is the one regarded as the one with the most antisocial behaviour, and thats the sprawling area's of the fraser valley such as surrey, poco, maple ridge etc. i think the writer of this article is confusing crowdedness as the main contributor to "behavioural sink." when it is evident that Socio-economic status is the main contributor.

p.s i think the author who wrote that article is an idiot...sound like more fearmongering from someone who is unable to reason properly

[Ragga_Wh0re]

^ I THANK YOU!

I grew up in abbistan:)
I grew up in the rick hansen area of abbistan. Its upper-middle class neighbourhood. I was brought up in a christian home by BOTH parents.

And look at me now?!

hmm lemme take some quick inventory:

drug addict by age 13
criminal by age 13

I knew alot of kids who were from super rich familys who had farmland out in Abbotsford, and those same kids turned into drug addicts and criminals:)...and still to this day are.

So basically after reading this page of complete utter shyt, I cant help but wonder when the last time the author of this paper has seen the light of day seeing as tho he has his head shoved up his ass:).

Also this bastard slut fails to take into consideration mental illness and other chemical imbalances in the brain that lead to disorders such as add adhd ocd odd so on and so forth.

fuck me if im wrong here but do animals suffer from mental illness or chemical imbalances in thier brains?

yeah NOPE.

[wundergirl]

Originally Posted by SEAN!

statistics show the violent crime rate has actually fallen consistently and dramatically since 1996...is homosexualtiy rising or is it just becomeing more excepted and openly pratice?

...the idea of the less intelligent or bellow average rats smacks of racism ... in american cities guess who the majority of the inner city dwellers are, they are visible minorities....I think the writer of this article is confusing crowdedness as the main contributor to "behavioural sink." when it is evident that Socio-economic status is the main contributor.

well said, and this brings up the irony of the whole situation. here we have the classic right wing paper (coincidentally straight out of morehead state university, "kentucky's university in the mountains"), inbedded with homophobia, a fear of the lower-class masculine menial portion of the population, and the common misconception that crime is rampant and we must all be afraid. this is being backed up by a theory belonging to one of the most leftist, hippie bastards of the sixties! wolfe was trying to open the eyes of the kind of people who write these types of papers to the consequences of their own actions and prejudices, not give them something to feed off of.

edit: has no one read "the electric acid koolaid test"?!

[Akeel]

good points, sean. but socio-economic status and geographic residency in Vancouver are quite different then somewhere in the states where the urban ghetto occurs in inner cities.

in other words...poor people in our region live in the styx or downtown eastside. Where as in other metropolitan centres in the US they reside almost exclusively in inner city ghettos.

Personally, I think the only valid points of this paper are the effects of personal space on someones well being.

Originally Posted by ~*goddessa*~

^ I THANK YOU!

I grew up in abbistan:)
I grew up in the rick hansen area of abbistan. Its upper-middle class neighbourhood. I was brought up in a christian home by BOTH parents.

And look at me now?!

hmm lemme take some quick inventory:

drug addict by age 13
criminal by age 13

I knew alot of kids who were from super rich familys who had farmland out in Abbotsford, and those same kids turned into drug addicts and criminals:)...and still to this day are.

So basically after reading this page of complete utter shyt, I cant help but wonder when the last time the author of this paper has seen the light of day seeing as tho he has his head shoved up his ass:).

Also this bastard slut fails to take into consideration mental illness and other chemical imbalances in the brain that lead to disorders such as add adhd ocd odd so on and so forth.

fuck me if im wrong here but do animals suffer from mental illness or chemical imbalances in thier brains?

yeah NOPE.

your basing your entire comments only on your life experience. which as "common" as it may be to abbotsford, really doesnt contribute much to this thread.

instead of refuting any points or making a serious argument, u just swear and call him names. his paper isn't "utter shyt" but your post is.

Also, animals do suffer from mental illness and chemical imbalances in the brain. the complexity of their illnesses may not be studied as much as our own but their still there.

[Ragga_Wh0re]

^oops sorry i forgot the whole thing about me being a high school drop out and not having any post sec either.


I guess i should shut up until I get either or.

yeah youre right i did base it on my life experiences and on others, yes it happens in abbotsford and i also know it happens elsewhere too such as hope chilliwack mission langley aldergrove and anywhere else east of vancouver:) as well as happening in vancouver as well. Sure i grew up in abbotsford but i spent alot of time running amuck in the valley, and i saw that many different people from many different walks of life and from many different cities suffer from the same problems. So yeah the paper is shyt...oh wait but I guess i dont have the right to form an opinion hence im a high school drop out and dont have any post sec or stats backing my claim.

darn.

thats interesting tho about animals suffering from mental illness and chemical imbalances.

[Akeel]

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not having post sec or high school is not an excuse for being ignorant and un-informed.

[Newbie4life]

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[Ragga_Wh0re]

Originally Posted by Akeel

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not having post sec or high school is not an excuse for being ignorant and un-informed.

im ignorant and un informed because my opinion on this subject differs from yours?

I mean id have a little bit more faith in what this person has to say if he got his hands on a human cadavor and checked to see if the thyroid was enlarged or not.

That would have given more creedence to what he has to say.

I think when youre trying to persuade your readers to beleive what you have to say you cant leave gaping holes in youre statements. You need solid proof, not just theorys.

But thats just me right.:)

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by Akeel

good points, sean. but socio-economic status and geographic residency in Vancouver are quite different then somewhere in the states where the urban ghetto occurs in inner cities.

in other words...poor people in our region live in the styx or downtown eastside. Where as in other metropolitan centres in the US they reside almost exclusively in inner city ghettos.



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i aknowledge that fact but it wasnt the point of of my writing.

yaletown, the west end and coal harbour are very densely populated, yet remain extremely safe neighbourhoods that are in my expereince also fairly friendly neighbourhoods. i feel less safe walking in coquitlam at night then in the west end/yaletown, the argument of lack of space is pretty wack.


look at kowloon in Hong Kong, if there was any truth to the above writing then the mother fuckers that live there would be tearing each other apart.

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by ~*goddessa*~

im ignorant and un informed because my opinion on this subject differs from yours?

I mean id have a little bit more faith in what this person has to say if he got his hands on a human cadavor and checked to see if the thyroid was enlarged or not.

That would have given more creedence to what he has to say.

I think when youre trying to persuade your readers to beleive what you have to say you cant leave gaping holes in youre statements. You need solid proof, not just theorys.

But thats just me right.:)

there is no such thing as solid proof...

knowledge is socially constructed....hwang /nerd voice.

[Niko]

I like the point the author is trying to make by referencing the "odd" effects that seem to replicate well when large groups are crowded into one area. It sounds a lot like the naturally observable effect of classification in society. However, it bothers me more than a little that he bases his statements—or perhaps simply echoes them—from a book on ecology and ecological philosophy/sociolgy.

I am interested in searching out this book "A Forest of Voices," so I can read the article this essay is based off of. Unfortunately, "Synthesis" seems to not be more than a a review of the other author's ideas with a small piece of personal experience thrown in. It's not sociology, and it's not psychology... somehow, that makes it feel inconclusive and incomplete.

[Akeel]

Originally Posted by ~*goddessa*~

im ignorant and un informed because my opinion on this subject differs from yours?

I mean id have a little bit more faith in what this person has to say if he got his hands on a human cadavor and checked to see if the thyroid was enlarged or not.

That would have given more creedence to what he has to say.

I think when youre trying to persuade your readers to beleive what you have to say you cant leave gaping holes in youre statements. You need solid proof, not just theorys.

But thats just me right.:)

your ignorant and uninformed because instead of an intelligent conversation refuting facts with facts, or theories you called him a bastard slut. i like swearing as much as the next person but u basically said a whole lot of nothing.

The whole point of the article is that its a theory. Speculation on what could cause the "new york attitude" if you will.

rooty toot.

Originally Posted by SEAN!

i aknowledge that fact but it wasnt the point of of my writing.

yaletown, the west end and coal harbour are very densely populated, yet remain extremely safe neighbourhoods that are in my expereince also fairly friendly neighbourhoods. i feel less safe walking in coquitlam at night then in the west end/yaletown, the argument of lack of space is pretty wack.


look at kowloon in Hong Kong, if there was any truth to the above writing then the mother fuckers that live there would be tearing each other apart.

The west end still has a larger rate of drugs dealers and narcotics flowing through there then coquitlam does though. so despite the fact someone could feel safer in that area, it still has a greater drug problem. could that be linked to concentration of gays in the region? possibly...nothing but speculation, though.

The hong kong example is a good one since you can directly compare cultural values between the north american and asian culture which could explain the difference in any levels of behavioural sink.