geek: strong cryptography

[mux]

Anyone here into PGP?

http://www.gnupg.org

[rawb]

anyone using gpg/pgp generally isn't worth talking to, unless they're giving you money.

[mux]

:070:

That was... uh... constructive.

Privacy on the internet is a luxury too few people enjoy.

[neoh]

I use gpg for things that most people dont use it for, quite handy.

[rawb]

Originally Posted by mux

:070:

That was... uh... constructive.

Privacy on the internet is a luxury too few people enjoy.

if someone's going to take the time to sniff my traffic or compromise my mail server, i'd have way bigger problems than them reading my boring, useless email.

id at least hope theyd be doing something more interesting.

it's gee-whiz technology. cool but ultimately i use it maybe once or twice a month, and only begrudgingly to users who want me to email them sensitive info.

[mapleleaf4ever]

I played with PGP a couple years back... handy if you think the Black Helicopters are coming for you...

[mux]

Originally Posted by mapleleaf4ever

I played with PGP a couple years back... handy if you think the Black Helicopters are coming for you...

<rant>

I don't think black helicopters are coming for me, by any stretch, but I not only believe in them, I've seen them!

Where we lived in San Jose, Costa Rica, was in a house basically a few hundred yards down the street from the American Embassy ('la Embajada Americana'). One sunny morning, we're getting ready to go to work, I look out the front window and there's three unmarked black helicopters screaming towards the embassy, flying low to the ground and fast - they're older models, almost like those 70's ones with the bubble glass over the cockpit, but more enclosed. I pointed them out to Erin and made a joke about them. No identifying markings, guns mounted on the side, smoked glass, jet black.

Hell, I even remember the date: September eleventh, 2001. It wasn't until we got to the office that we had any idea what was going on. The embassy went onto lockdown, they blockaded the street in front with walls of sandbags and had it manned with armoured cars for about two weeks.

When you leave the safety and complacency of Canada, things change. See, one of the things that made me look harder at crypto was a building up on the hill on the other side of the San Jose valley - a big, ugly, concrete box bristling with antennae and satellite dishes. A couple of local geeks filled me in; as part of a treaty with the US, all telecommunications in or out of the country - the two big fibreoptic loops that join a bunch of the carribean countries to the backbone in the Florida Keys, the landlines, etc - all data flows through that building. There's six or seven floors (at least above ground) and nobody but US Military is allowed past the first lobby.

I dunno. I don't have a tinfoil hat, I haven't built a faraday cage around my office, and I don't believe chemtrails have anything to do with weather or mind control - tho I do wonder a bit sometimes about the unmarked late-model white panel vans with the tinted windows and government plates I've seen around a few times. I don't think there's people reading my email, but I'm not kidding myself that it'd be any hassle whatsoever if someone in the right chair had the whim. We look at shit like cryptography and roll our eyes, but if more people took it seriously it sure wouldn't hurt anything - when did this whole attitude of "I don't write anything interesting in email, therefore privacy is worthless to me" happen?

If more people had taken it seriously ten years ago, encryption would be a seamless part of Outlook and Hotmail, and there'd be no such thing as email viruses.

</rant>

[Crazy Dave]

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[mapleleaf4ever]

So basically "IF" it was an ideal World, this post would be encrypted seamlessly by a 2048 bit one time pad... but you know... it's not.

[Crazy Dave]

see what we need is a key as long as would fit on a DVD. Just a killer stream on random 1's and 0's. Now in order for each person to communicate they would have to have a copy of the same disk. And there has to be no errors on each disk because you would use an algorithm that the results are biased on the results of the last calculation. Meh then triple DES it.

ok ok I know this is Security by obscurity. but it's a 2^4.2GB obscurity. And yes use real random numbers from hardware randomizes.

And other idea was to use the bible for a random seed. See there's 100's of types of bibles, you could use 100's of types of algeritums(and do public key on top of it), and having a bible text about may go unnoticed, and they have a cool indexing system to find you starting point.

[mux]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dave

see what we need is a key as long as would fit on a DVD. Just a killer stream on random 1's and 0's. Now in order for each person to communicate they would have to have a copy of the same disk. And there has to be no errors on each disk because you would use an algorithm that the results are biased on the results of the last calculation. Meh then triple DES it.

That would work until the disc was stolen - it's a one-factor crypto system. Good crypto uses a two-factor system - something you have, and something you know.

And other idea was to use the bible for a random seed. See there's 100's of types of bibles, you could use 100's of types of algeritums(and do public key on top of it), and having a bible text about may go unnoticed, and they have a cool indexing system to find you starting point.

Silicon Graphics, Inc. used to have its "lavarand" service - a random number generator comprised of six lavalamps in a room, with an IndyCam pointed at each one. The camera image for each was converted into a greyscale bitmap, and the image was run through an algorhythm that spat out a hash based on the content of the previous image. Kinda cool.

I wanted to do the same thing (usb camera, image => hash) with my fishtank, but when we moved to Costa Rica I left the tank with some friends and all the fish died. :(

[Crazy Dave]

Having a disk stolen is no different then having your privet key copied, or having the device the privet key is held on stolen it's self. Well unless you can remember the higher range of 128bit number or some thing that can get hashed in to it, you have to store it some where. Then again a disk would be nice because chance some one would steal it rather then take the time to copy it... then so you'd know if you where breached.

Any thing else I can think about or say, I'm sure you know way better then I.

[mapleleaf4ever]

Originally Posted by mux

I wanted to do the same thing (usb camera, image => hash) with my fishtank, but when we moved to Costa Rica I left the tank with some friends and all the fish died. :(

"This message has been encrypted by Captain Highliner..."

[mux]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dave

Having a disk stolen is no different then having your privet key copied, or having the device the privet key is held on stolen it's self.

No, that's my point. :) If you steal my laptop, you'll have a copy of my private key - but you can't use it to encrypt or decrypt anything, because you don't know my passphrase. Something you have, and something you know.

[Crazy Dave]

ok cool :) I get it.


so you need a huge random numner set, that both parties have. And a long phrase. (I just the phrase is much like linux's log in hash)

I've kinda milled about the idea of having the inscription code never stored on ether computer, but rather you had to wright it in as a long in pass word.

[Rytalin]

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[ebbomega]

Am I the only person that believes that even if the Illuminati didn't exist, it seems just a good idea to be one step up on them anyways?

[MissBehavior]

*really wants someone who knows what they're talking about to explain things like the Illuminati, Black Helicopters, Chem Trails, etc. to her*

Any takers?

[ebbomega]

That's a very good question.

Thank you for asking.

End Point of Order.

[Rytalin]

Originally Posted by MissBehavior

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oh and do not forget the tinfoil deflector beanie.

you don't want that nasty 60hz going to your brain too much.


(I got mine mounted directly onto my scalp!)

[mux]

Originally Posted by MissBehavior

*really wants someone who knows what they're talking about to explain things like the Illuminati, Black Helicopters, Chem Trails, etc. to her*

Those three things are conspiracy theories that are a reach for the average, rational-thinking citizen - secret guilds, hidden agendas, etc. I personally don't subscribe to any of them, but I do think that every legend was originally spawned by fact. Basically, our government (and our neighbors) do things that we think only other governments do.

Read some of this: http://www.projectcensored.org/ - it's a project at Sonoma State University, reporting news that wasn't picked up by the large-scale networks, and why... *really* frightening stuff.

If you're not alarmed, you're not paying close enough attention. :(

[djmarkpaul]

Only those that value their privacy will have it.

[Gusto]

I used it for a little while, then decided that I was too lazy to bother with it, and that nothing I send or receive is worth hiding.

[dapimpstress]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dave

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