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Old Sep 21, 04
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Ronning, Courtnal, Craven. they all easily had 40 assists plus in each season with van.

Trust me to get to the finals it takes a good team, not on good player.

When Naslund came here there was no bertuzzi or morrison and he still racked the points up.

Don't forget when he was lined up with matt cooke he still racked the points. Face it he can play with anyone and still get the points.

Bure was just a goal scorer. Naslund back checks, and leads the team in every offensive category.

Think of it this way did Pavel Bure get 1st player all star for 3 straight years on right wing.

Naslund got 1st all star team recognition for every year for the last 3
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Having Morrison and Bertuzzi is like having Ronning and Courtnal. Thoguh Courtnal wasn't quiet as big bertuzzi.

When bure put up 110 points he had 2 players with more than 50 assists and like 3 with 40 assists.

On the canucks now no one had over 40 assists this year other than naslund.

trust me in today's nhl bure just doesn't cut it. Just look no furthur than when he went to the so called stacked New York Rangers
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Having Morrison and Bertuzzi is like having Ronning and Courtnal. Thoguh Courtnal wasn't quiet as big bertuzzi.

When bure put up 110 points he had 2 players with more than 50 assists and like 3 with 40 assists.

On the canucks now no one had over 40 assists this year other than naslund.

trust me in today's nhl bure just doesn't cut it. Just look no furthur than when he went to the so called stacked New York Rangers
sorry having morrison and bertuzzi is nothing like having ronning and courtnall. bertuzzi is a top 3 power forward in the league, courtnall was barely a top 3 forward on the canucks.

as for bure with the rangers, when he first got there he put up good numbers. 12 goals, 20 points in only 12 games. his second season he had 19 goals in 39 games playing on a bummed knee.

...and it's not like bure was putting up these numbers years ago in the mid 90's either. he had a 59 goal season as recently as 2001 playing in the so called defensive eastern divison.
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grapes: all i want to add is this. pavel bure had no linemates. period. for him and naslund to be on 'equal' footing, you'd have to have bure playing on a line with cam neely. not to mention morrison now, who is better than any center we ever had during the pavel days.

edit: i hadn't read the 2nd page yet. just wanted to add, even in their primes, ronning/courtnall couldn't hold a damn candle to morrision and bertuzzi. i'm pretty sure that's a safe assumption.

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sorry having morrison and bertuzzi is nothing like having ronning and courtnall. bertuzzi is a top 3 power forward in the league, courtnall was barely a top 3 forward on the canucks.

as for bure with the rangers, when he first got there he put up good numbers. 12 goals, 20 points in only 12 games. his second season he had 19 goals in 39 games playing on a bummed knee.

...and it's not like bure was putting up these numbers years ago in the mid 90's either. he had a 59 goal season as recently as 2001 playing in the so called defensive eastern divison.
As I said again Bure is an offensive goal scorer but thats as far as he goes.

Naslund is the complete deal. Play maker, Sniper, and team leader.

Bure was only a goal scorer. Hence I would take a Naslund over a bure any game.
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ok, i love naslund like everyone else in this city. but let's face facts, players like bure rose to the occasion, big game? big plays.

quite frankly naslund, bertuzzi et al have shown none of that. and they've had quite a few years together. this team and everyone on it, chokes. big time. that's the most consistent thing about their game.
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but in terms of raw offensive scoring and flash bure wins big.
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As I said again Bure is an offensive goal scorer but thats as far as he goes.

Naslund is the complete deal. Play maker, Sniper, and team leader.

Bure was only a goal scorer. Hence I would take a Naslund over a bure any game.
yet bure has taken us deeper in the playoff then naslund has...
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you make it seems like it was bure that took the canucks too the finals.

dude it was a team effort everyone was scoring. without linden and mclean there is no finals period.;
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yet bure has taken us deeper in the playoff then naslund has...
A captain leads a team in the playoff's not one player.

plus all the canucks were scoring back than, and if a canuck goalie played as well as mclean did back than trust me the canucks would be in the finals again
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he was still a major part of it. look naslund is a great player, in fact my favourite on the current canucks...but the fact is the man has never won anywhere. world juniors, olympics, world championships, nhl. even he admitted this in a vancouver sun article.
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anyways i'm done arguing, i've said my piece. i'm gonna go play nhl '94 on sega genesis and see how many goals i can get bure to score. i usually play the senators cuz they suck.
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^ yea but thats not what were argueing were argueing about who is more talented.
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anyways i'm done arguing, i've said my piece. i'm gonna go play nhl '94 on sega genesis and see how many goals i can get bure to score. i usually play the senators cuz they suck.
You go do that kiddo lol.

Is that you base your facts on. How well Bure does in nhl 94 haha
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i gotta add, where are you gettin the 'complete package' deal from? naslund does not play defense. that's common knowledge man.

naslund is not an amazing playmaker, by any means. his 'weapon' is his wrist shot. that is all. naslund is also streaky as hell. hardly part of the complete package.
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i think we've already gone over the fact that naslund is an overall better player. why are you arguing this point? mogilny had more skill. i think most people rate skill by goal scoring and passing. things you do with the puck. leadership is not really defined as skill. if that was the case stan smyl or trevor linden would be considered the most skilled canuck.
Here is my definition of leadership: HEART FOR THE YOUR PLAYERS, HEART FOR THE GAME, leadership is learned from skill...and you don't have to be a mega point scorer to prove that......so Messier, you can suck it ;)
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OK, I'm all for reminding people of what a phenom Pavel Bure was.. and if you put a gun to my head (please don't put a gun to my head) I'd probably give Bure the edge as the most talented Canuck in history.
I totally agree with that call...no other player really excited me with speed and reelwheel highlight goal scoring other than Bure, that's for sure! :)
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I just don't think Naslund quite measures up to the other all time great canucks being smyl and linden he's a great team player and great leader but I don't think he's a great canuck (and by that I don't mean the way he plays)
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Old Sep 22, 04
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^ thats a good way to word it.

besides you don't get ur number retired just because ur a good player. you get it retired cause you've b een such an asset to your team in ways you just can't do by just playing.
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If you look at the Canucks web site at there fan of the week thing where it says all-time favorite Canuck you usally get one of two answers Linden or Smyl lets face it Naslund is great just not a great Canuck
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