War on Terrorism - Apache Killings

[wum]

this is pretty sick

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/media/2004/01/284087.mpg

[tvmann]

They probably didn't even really know who those guys were, they could have been ordinary people, non-combatants.

The middle guy is severely wounded and they blast him again.

Did anyone see the PBS program about the US soldiers last night? They're so ignorant. One guy said his job was to kill people. Then a group of soldiers was given instructions on what to do when they are checking civilian vehicles at check stops. They were told "just kill them" if they saw anything slightly unusual in vehicles.

[wum]

and that second guy was totally vaporized. musta been deplete uranium.

[mapleleaf4ever]

^ In a Theatre of Operations such as the Middle East it is easy to see how that kind of Paranoia has been instilled in the US Troops. When anyone could be jumping at you with an AK-47 or just explode in the middle of the Street. It can wear on their morale really easily. Sometimes if you see something fishy in the State of Denmark you only have a moment to decide wether it's a threat or not. If you choose wrong, you're dead. It's sad but sometimes you have to err on the side of caution. Personally, in the end of it all I'd rather be the one with the Pulse still beating in my neck.

[lou_belle]

woh, those dudes had NO chance.

[Dr. Doom]

sw33t!

[aCiDPt]

really old vid
this is a segment of a dwngraded vid of the thermal camera
the whole thing shows the iraqis handling what appears 2 be a rpg launcher

anyways only thing that might be construed as a war crime would be killin the guy that was hiding behind the truck after he was clearly incapacitated. but might be more merciful thign 2 do as some1 thatz clearly been severly damged by molten metals of the 30mm HE rounds & fragments from the truck. war is never pleasant business

[tvmann]

Is this an old video really, where did it come from? Looks like it might be about a year old from Iraq. Maybe this is still happening.
That UK site has some disturbing stories about the US soldiers:
http://www.almuajaha.com/feature/display/5432/index.php

What are the rules about shooting wounded people? This looks bad.

Here is an enhanced version of the same video.

Right click, Save Target as... (7 MB .wmv file):

THIS IS WHAT THEY DID

[mapleleaf4ever]

Probably the beginning of the second Iraq invasion or even the '91 War. Rules about Shooting wounded people? Like aCiDPt said, once you get nailed a few times with 30mm Cannon rounds you're much dead anyways as I doubt there were any friendly Medic units near him. 30mm Pieces of Lead going 700+ feet per second + Human Flesh = Bad News

[aCiDPt]

the vid came out like a yr or 2 ago shortly after the ac130 vid in afghanistan.
2lazy 2 dig it up but google it & i'm sure u can find the complete 5min+ ver

the iraqis were in the mid of no where in pocession of what appears 2 be rpg launcher & a tractor that is probably used 2 digg/set up road side bombs; they r most likely "terrorists/freedom fighters". they made a conscious descision & should be aware of the possible consequences.

anyways if i remember clearly geneva convention prohibits shootin wounded enemy soldiers(tho not sure how american classify iraqi insurgents); they r supx 2 be offered treatment. think technically they r not even supx 2 shot people w/ 30mm HE rounds. inhumane or sumthing. altho not sure how much i agree w/ puttin rules 2 wars. makin it seem like a gentlemanly sport w/ ground rules instead of a horrific action of makin the enemy in2 minced meat & bendin them 2 ur will; sumthing 2 be avoided at all costs.

[mapleleaf4ever]

If you want to get Technical, the Americans have been able to avoid the Geneva Convention Card because of the fact that it only applies to organized and uniformed Military Units. Ununiformed Insurgents do not fall under the Geneva Convention. Hence in WW2 when German Units were captured in American or Allied Uniforms they were more often than not executed. There you go kiddies, keep that flag on your shoulder and you get a band-aid... no Flag = 9mm First Aid.

[lou_belle]

It's funny how the americans want the iraqi death count to be less than what it is and the iraqi's they just want as many americans dead as possible...injured? that ain't shit...."hit em"

[Dr. Doom]

Doom believes that the US has intentionally never been party to any treaty that forbid the use of certain types of ammunition as being inhumane or cruel... unfortuantely the exact names of said treaties escapes doom at the moment.

[wum]

Originally Posted by tvmann

Here is an enhanced version of the same video.

Right click, Save Target as... (7 MB .wmv file):

THIS IS WHAT THEY DID

it reminds me of Blade taking out vampires the way they blow up.

[PHUNK]

it's war for fucks sake. it is never pretty.

if you are going to do it, do it right. like the yanks.

[tvmann]

Found some other coverage of this incident and others. They have some comments by an American General Robert Gard confirming it is against the Geneva Convention to kill wounded incapacitated enemy combatants, and he says that is murder.

This is part in German:

http://www.ndrtv.de/cgi/pan_video/vi...20_schuesse.rm

[neoh]

haha, sweet.

[The_acidhouse]

let's see..
does this violate the geneva convention?
http://www.ulita.com/beheading.php

[wum]

Originally Posted by The_acidhouse

let's see..
does this violate the geneva convention?
http://www.ulita.com/beheading.php

[aCiDPt]

let's see..
does this violate the geneva convention?

they don't profess 2 be the harbringers of justice, democracy & freedom.

Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

Doom believes that the US has intentionally never been party to any treaty that forbid the use of certain types of ammunition as being inhumane or cruel... unfortuantely the exact names of said treaties escapes doom at the moment.

i thot they r party 2 treaties which forbids the use of flame thrower & likes. eg stopped research or sumthing on "inhumane" 5.56 nato rounds that wobble more & cause hard 2 treat exit wounds.
guess there r loop holes 2 every rule; very misleading how they advertised them "ceased" use of napalm which causes an excruciating death but only 2 droppin other incendiary weapons during gulf war 2.

all is fair is luv & war they say

[aCiDPt]

ohya any1 wanna see the effects of a large calibre ammo?
different gun system from the 30mm on apache but u get the idea

http://www.big-boys.com/articles/iraqfootage.html

ps ignore the caption on the site; its a h60 & uh 1 helo not apache

[wum]

that's like a fucking video game

[automatic]

considering the increasing use of fly-by-wire robotics in both the skies and on the ground in wartime it IS pretty much like a video game. they control predator attack drones over afghanistan from a base in florida in realtime!

i predict that in 20-30 years you will be able to fly simulated fbw livefire missions from your home using surplus army droids...much the same way you can target fire real rounds off on a rifle online in a firing range in texas right now....and within a couple of years will be able to shoot game on the same site...

[Clayton.]

Jihad for life.

[Clayton.]

Here's one for ya.


us marines celibrate the killing of a wounded man.

http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle5365.htm