Four mounties killed over drug bust

[wum]

The loss of four police officers is unprecedented in recent history,'' said Bill Sweeney, commanding officer of the Mounties in Alberta. ``I'm told you have to go back to about 1885 ... during the Northwest Rebellion to have a loss of this magnitude.

http://news.channels.aol.ca/news/art...03183809990003

Damn. I say we legalize pot to minimize these tragedies.

[decypher]

I think we should minimize allowing lunatic hicks to apply for guns, to curb these problems.

[wum]

Originally Posted by decypher

I think we should minimize allowing lunatic hicks to apply for guns, to curb these problems.

That would be

[Hot Karl]

so you take a crazy guy, who kills 4 mounties while running a grow op, and your solution is to legalize the pot?

last time i checked, smoking pot or growing pot didn't turn you into a cop killing maniac.

[Carrie]

the guy that shot the mounties, shot himself afterwards.

don't shoot in the first place.

it's just a grow op. ! it's not worth 5 lives

[wum]

Originally Posted by Hot Karl

so you take a crazy guy, who kills 4 mounties while running a grow op, and your solution is to legalize the pot?

last time i checked, smoking pot or growing pot didn't turn you into a cop killing maniac.

This particular case might not have a direct correlation, but more and more we find that the people growing pot are becoming more sophisticated and armed in order to protect their "business." Prohibition leads to organized crime. Just look at 1930's Chicago.

[Hot Karl]

Originally Posted by wum

This particular case might not have a direct correlation, but more and more we find that the people growing pot are becoming more sophisticated and armed in order to protect their "business." Prohibition leads to organized crime. Just look at 1930's Chicago.

you say that like it's a problem. that's the official spiel you get from the cops, but you think they really care that criminals are fucking up criminals? and after this incident, you can guarantee that the cops aren't going to be caught off guard again.

[decypher]

With all the technicalities, i don't think any legalized solution brought about in Canada would do anything to deter organized crime or crazy guys like this. This is simply because it would still be illegal to grow large amounts, and there would still be a market for chronic. It's just a never evolving cycle.

[wum]

Originally Posted by Hot Karl

you say that like it's a problem. that's the official spiel you get from the cops, but you think they really care that criminals are fucking up criminals? and after this incident, you can guarantee that the cops aren't going to be caught off guard again.

Uh, ya. My point is that if we dropped the prohibition there would be less killing all around. :)

[wum]

Originally Posted by decypher

With all the technicalities, i don't think any legalized solution brought about in Canada would do anything to deter organized crime or crazy guys like this. This is simply because it would still be illegal to grow large amounts, and there would still be a market for chronic. It's just a never evolving cycle.

sure it would. does the US have an Al Capone bootlegging liquor anymore? or shooting up his competitors?

Banning an illicit substance that has huge appeal only pushes it underground where it attracts the criminal elements of society.

[Hot Karl]

Originally Posted by wum

Uh, ya. My point is that if we dropped the prohibition there would be less killing all around. :)

out of curiousity, say we do legalize, how exactly would that prevent some criminals from smuggling it to countries were it's currently illegal? wouldn't they still be criminals? wouldn't they still have guns to protect their investment? even if the investment was grown legally?

i don't see how out and out legalization would solve the problem of these type of grow-op related crimes and the "gang" types that run these grow-ops.

[wum]

Originally Posted by Hot Karl

out of curiousity, say we do legalize, how exactly would that prevent some criminals from smuggling it to countries were it's currently illegal? wouldn't they still be criminals? wouldn't they still have guns to protect their investment? even if the investment was grown legally?

Those countries could deal with organized crime. We'll have mom and pop shop weed shops :)

Originally Posted by Hot Karl

i don't see how out and out legalization would solve the problem of these type of grow-op related crimes and the "gang" types that run these grow-ops.

ya.. maybe i didn't explain it so great. i'll come back later when i read more about Prohibition.

[decypher]

Originally Posted by wum

sure it would. does the US have an Al Capone bootlegging liquor anymore? or shooting up his competitors?

Banning an illicit substance that has huge appeal only pushes it underground where it attracts the criminal elements of society.

Yeh but how long until the general public of Canada has access to marijuana on every street corner till 11pm every night. I can't see them integrating a legalized solution like that for a loooong time.

[tvmann]

The guy who did this was crazy and a known local wacko and badguy. Involved in several illegal things including stolen vehicles, the weed stuff was just another sideline.

Not that I want a grow-op anywhere near me, there was a mini one next door when I was living in Calgary and the guy was usually OK, smalltime dealer, but I think he had a gun in case someone tried to rip him off, and a gun battle next door would not be cool.

[mikey]

Last time I checked they hadn't confirmed there was even a grow op. They were investigating for one. But in all the articles i've read and new broadcast, thay haven't confirmed that they found one.

[decypher]

Usually the guns are for competition or hard drug addicts trying to break into the grow op. Getting busted for growing weed is like a slap on the wrist, most sane minded people aren't going to kill a cop over a $1200 fine.

[decypher]

Originally Posted by mikey

Last time I checked they hadn't confirmed there was even a grow op. They were investigating for one. But in all the articles i've read and new broadcast, thay haven't confirmed that they found one.

Very interesting... I remember when one of the head cops was doing the initial police statement he started talking about organized crime, and meth labs, which had nothing to do with the case he was dicussing lol.

[LeeBrat]

Originally Posted by decypher

I think we should minimize allowing lunatic hicks to apply for guns, to curb these problems.

agreed.

thats just sick what happened tho. i cant wrap my head around how someone could have the mentality to do something like that. like wtf are they thinking???

[miss.myra]

Originally Posted by Twisted~AngelX

agreed.

thats just sick what happened tho. i cant wrap my head around how someone could have the mentality to do something like that. like wtf are they thinking???

Who? The cops or the lunatic? It's pretty easy to see the mentality behind why they both shot imo.

[Goodfellow]

In this case, the guy had already been arrested, and the judge let him go the next day on judge's orders. Then the judge didn't tell the police (duh) that he had let him out. So the police went to the house to investigate thinking nobody was there so they obviously weren't very prepared. If they were going in knowing the guy was there they woulda had swat team and nobody would have gotten killed (most likely..)

[Custard]

what needs to be done is teh decriminalization of growing a small number of plants in your house. if i can create a cycle of plants in my house so i get an o every 2 weeks, why would i goto little jimmy's house to buy it?

if it's legalized, then growing within your house could only be acheived through purchasing a permit.

[crookedking]

we should legalize pot and then pump it full of chemicals and charge alot of money for it.

that'd be sweet.

[lou_belle]

The police force created a huge deal about how marijuana was at the scene of the crime when four police officers were shot dead. What blows me away is how they also state there was 300 plants with a low ball street value of one million dollars?? They get away with anything.
That police force must be filled with a bunch of arrogant retarded fucks if they think that going to a house with spike belts on the driveway is a routine assignment that doesn't call for precautionary measures. It appears as though they were rookie cops too. And why, in the wake of their deaths do they bring up such a pathetic argument about how marijuana grow ops have something to do with that derranged murderous FUCK and his reasoning~

it makes me so MAD to see the cops deaths be burried with rhetorical nonsense about marijuana gro-ops*

[lou_belle]

Originally Posted by wum

the only thing they're saying about weed is that it should be legalized. prohibition attracts organized crime and so forth, but with this one story the dude was just insane.

actually they say they want to legalize it and then double the sentence for growing it?? they also want to make a mandatory sentence on top of that.
Weed didn't make that guy kill, it was either the Alberta law that he was afraid of or he was just nuts. I think they should make that more apparent.
Raising the sentence would only increase the danger for cops busting grow houses..and they are evERYWhere.

[wum]

Originally Posted by lou_belle

actually they say they want to legalize it and then double the sentence for growing it?? they also want to make a mandatory sentence on top of that.
Weed didn't make that guy kill, it was either the Alberta law that he was afraid of or he was just nuts. I think they should make that more apparent.
Raising the sentence would only increase the danger for cops busting grow houses..and they are evERYWhere.

ya. come to think of it, the over-emphasis on weed has really nothing to do with the murders.

it's just that people expect action when something bad happens.